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Old 23-12-2016, 08:45
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Could not agree more with this:

http://www.cityam.com/256040/all-want-christmas-ultra-hard-brexit-and-nine-other-pro

It's the only feasible option and May should think along the same lines. Unfortunately, protectionist lefties who hold quaint values of having to protect public services and of a country that works for unskilled lower classes will most likely make any such move impossible.
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Old 23-12-2016, 08:48
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Could not agree more with this:

http://www.cityam.com/256040/all-wan...nine-other-pro

It's the only feasible option and May should think along the same lines. Unfortunately, protectionist lefties who hold quaint values of having to protect public services and of a country that works for unskilled lower classes will most likely make any such move impossible.
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Old 23-12-2016, 08:58
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Works fine for me?

Just google this "All I want for Christmas is... an ultra-hard Brexit (and nine other pro-growth policy wishes)"
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Old 23-12-2016, 08:59
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Teressa May nor the current government have the stomach for Graeme Leach's radical suggestions. Pity he added point 10 - the suggestion we should have a national debate on whether or not GW is the threat people think it is. For many this will simply put GL amongst the loony and swivel eyed.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:02
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Teressa May nor the current government have the stomach for Graeme Leach's radical suggestions.
I don't think anyone in this country does. We are in this strange state of flux between capitalism and socialism aka a country with social responsibility to the Ines who can't be bothered to look after themselves.

That works fine as part of Europe and dare I say part of the EU but it's unsustainable otherwise. So let's go all the way and make this a country that works for the ones willing to work and do their part.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:04
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Works fine for me?

Just google this "All I want for Christmas is... an ultra-hard Brexit (and nine other pro-growth policy wishes)"
City-AM won't allow me to read it due to my ad-blocker
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:04
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Could not agree more with this:

http://www.cityam.com/256040/all-want-christmas-ultra-hard-brexit-and-nine-other-pro

It's the only feasible option and May should think along the same lines. Unfortunately, protectionist lefties who hold quaint values of having to protect public services and of a country that works for unskilled lower classes will most likely make any such move impossible.
1 and 2 conflict with each other. If we unilaterally declare zero tariffs on all imports, we will have nothing left to negotiate trade deals with for our exports.

It sounds like an ultra right wing wet dream. It would probably decimate the UK economy.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:05
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Feasible isn't the same as good.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:06
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I don't think anyone in this country does. We are in this strange state of flux between capitalism and socialism aka a country with social responsibility to the Ines who can't be bothered to look after themselves.

That works fine as part of Europe and dare I say part of the EU but it's unsustainable otherwise. So let's go all the way and make this a country that works for the ones willing to work and do their part.
I thought you lived and worked in Germany.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:08
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I don't think anyone in this country does. We are in this strange state of flux between capitalism and socialism aka a country with social responsibility to the Ines who can't be bothered to look after themselves.

That works fine as part of Europe and dare I say part of the EU but it's unsustainable otherwise. So let's go all the way and make this a country that works for the ones willing to work and do their part.
Yeah, the problem for Brexit is that the party in power doesn't wholeheartedly champion it. This was the criticism I made of Brexit when I was on the other side of the argument. Unlike Scottish independence which, regardless of whether it was right or not, had the Scottish referendum gone for independence at least there would have been a party in power in Scotland who were wholeheartedly enthusiastic about achieving it.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:08
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I thought you lived and worked in Germany.
No I don't. Never said that once.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:09
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No I don't. Never said that once.
OK so which country was it?
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:09
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I could not agree more with this, http://www.eureferendum.com/themarketsolution.pdf

in Video form, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GliFMIHiGog

Flat out leaving in one big jump and not doing it in stages, and rebuilding important infrastructure, much of which we rely on the EU for currently, before moving onto the next stage is crazy. it's more like a decade of negotiation required to make the full jump out of the EU, maybe 2. Doing it in 1 fell swoop inside 2 years virtually guaranties mistakes will be made.

Knowing this government we have who seem to have a virtual Government lock in vote wise at the moment ( even though i'd normally for for them) are a dangerous bunch with such weak opposition.

Why not retreat to the Switzerland ( arguably the most economically successful country per head in the world) plan first which can be done in 2 years, then continue to work towards a full brexit in the many years after.

The biggest and most important part will be insuring that the such transfers of powers can never happen again without unanimous ( maybe even a super majority clause 60%+ ) agreement from all parties, the electorate, parliament and the lords.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:10
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1 and 2 conflict with each other. If we unilaterally declare zero tariffs on all imports, we will have nothing left to negotiate trade deals with for our exports.

It sounds like an ultra right wing wet dream. It would probably decimate the UK economy.
No it would not. It's capitalism on speed and the only way forward if you want to be a driving, functioning force in today's word and without being part of a trading bloc.

You don't need import tariffs to negotiate export deals.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:12
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OK so which country was it?
Are you losing your marbles? I have lived and worked in this country for the last 20 years and am still here. Not quite sure where you believe I've ever said anything different.

I have dual citizenship, speak two languages fluently and have lived in several other countries lol.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:14
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Are you losing your marbles? I have lived and worked in this country for the last 20 years and am still here. Not quite sure where you believe I've ever said anything different.

I have dual citizenship, speak two languages fluently and have lived in several other countries lol.
Just that you said you were paying a visit to your English cottage, where the locals said something about how nice it would have been if all Germans were like you.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:15
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No it would not. It's capitalism on speed and the only way forward if you want to be a driving, functioning force in today's word and without being part of a trading bloc.

You don't need import tariffs to negotiate export deals.
It certainly helps.

Why should anyone offer us tariff free access to their markets? A sense of fair play? Total fantasy.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:19
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It certainly helps.

Why should anyone offer us tariff free access to their markets? A sense of fair play? Total fantasy.
Well the EU is off the table anyway and what are our next biggest export destinations? The exact countries that are described in the article and which we should have FTAs with or even start an "Anglo" trading bloc.

No import tariffs on goods from China, India and Taiwan will cut consumer prices in the UK so business are supported, in fact in would probably make up for the new tariffs into the EU.

There doesn't need to be fair play - it's business. Cold hearted but successful capitalism.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:19
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It certainly helps.

Why should anyone offer us tariff free access to their markets? A sense of fair play? Total fantasy.
It sounds like he's still living in the 19th century. It worked when Britain repealed the Corn Laws, therefore it will work again. At least it gives me a good reason to post this..
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:32
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It sounds like he's still living in the 19th century. It worked when Britain repealed the Corn Laws, therefore it will work again. At least it gives me a good reason to post this..
I suppose the advantage of being a country with tariff free trading is partly that it would benefit consumers here but also manufacturers and businesses that export. The ability to import tariff free raw materials and components from any country in the world for further manufacture and export offers considerable attractions. OK the manufacturer may well have to incur tariffs when selling these goods, but then they do anyway for many countries. So any additional trade agreements would be an additional bonus.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:46
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I suppose the advantage of being a country with tariff free trading is partly that it would benefit consumers here but also manufacturers and businesses that export. The ability to import tariff free raw materials and components from any country in the world for further manufacture and export offers considerable attractions. OK the manufacturer may well have to incur tariffs when selling these goods, but then they do anyway for many countries. So any additional trade agreements would be an additional bonus.
If Britain unilaterally removes import tariffs pretty soon you won't have any manufacturers or exporters left.
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:22
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The reality is that the only choice the UK actually has is the date of triggering A50.
After that, all decisions are down to the EU.
Of course that would change if we accept freedom of movement. But that isn't going to happen, is it.
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:28
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Well the EU is off the table anyway and what are our next biggest export destinations? The exact countries that are described in the article and which we should have FTAs with or even start an "Anglo" trading bloc.

No import tariffs on goods from China, India and Taiwan will cut consumer prices in the UK so business are supported, in fact in would probably make up for the new tariffs into the EU.

There doesn't need to be fair play - it's business. Cold hearted but successful capitalism.
Even the Anglo trading block will be driven by cold business logic. If they already have tariff free access to the UK, there is no reason to offer us anything. If anything Trump will be raising tariffs not scraping them.

Total right wing fantasy idea. Amazed it didn't come from Farage.
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:39
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Even the Anglo trading block will be driven by cold business logic. If they already have tariff free access to the UK, there is no reason to offer us anything. If anything Trump will be raising tariffs not scraping them.

Total right wing fantasy idea. Amazed it didn't come from Farage
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It wouldn't, because Farage isn't what you describe as right wing any more than he is a fantasist. Neither is he an adherent to global economics.
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:45
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The reality is that the only choice the UK actually has is the date of triggering A50.
After that, all decisions are down to the EU.
Of course that would change if we accept freedom of movement. But that isn't going to happen, is it.
Hence leaving and trading with them on WTO terms rather than fuffing about. Concentrate on becoming competitive and shake off all socialist traces. Become a business nation.
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