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Old 23-12-2016, 17:04
james_taylor3
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I have an interview, very good chance of getting the job.

I happen to be working that day and there is no flexibility to change the day, if i ring in sick i could cost the company cash as we need 2 staff to run the business, and if i dont show up they will lose money.

Im trying to swap with a colleague but if thats not possible i dont know what to do, i dont want to ring in sick due to the reason above, i was thinking of saying i have a hospital appointment i must attend and give them plenty of notice to arrange cover for me, but then if they cant get cover i will have to work and they will know i wanted the day off.

If they refuse my appointment how much trouble would i get in telling them 'im not coming in this is too important to miss'

Any advice?
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Old 23-12-2016, 17:20
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I've got a novel idea! How about telling them the truth? It might just work.
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Old 23-12-2016, 17:20
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If you don't need the whole day I would say you have had to get an urgent medical or dental appointment and will come back to work asap. Would they really say no to that?
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Old 23-12-2016, 17:27
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If you don't need the whole day I would say you have had to get an urgent medical or dental appointment and will come back to work asap. Would they really say no to that?
But the later i leave it the harder it gets to find cover, i dont really want to wait til the day before to say.
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Old 23-12-2016, 17:34
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You've already put feelers out about swapping, so if you happen to phone in sick that day word might get out and they'll know you're at it. If you're fairly confident about your chances in the other job, be honest and tell your current employer you need the day off. You don't necessarily need to tell them the reason, but you might that need to be firm about needing the day off, paid or unpaid. If one member of staff being absent is going to cause such disruption to the business, and if you care that much about them, the best you can do is allow them to prepare for the prospect of losing you so they can make necessary arragemts for the longer term.
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Old 23-12-2016, 17:35
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But the later i leave it the harder it gets to find cover, i dont really want to wait til the day before to say.
You could say you have a doctors appointment and that was the earliest day they could give you to see them so you'll be late coming in.
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Old 23-12-2016, 17:40
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Can you take annual leave?
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Old 23-12-2016, 17:55
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Can you take annual leave?
Can only take that prior to my rota being released, im happy to put the annual leave in
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Old 23-12-2016, 17:59
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If as you say its a very good chance of getting the job why are you worried about getting into trouble?

Tell them you have a interview and wont be in that day.
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Old 23-12-2016, 18:02
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Can't you change the date of the interview. Explain you're unable to get annual leave - I'd rather employ someone on that basis rather than someone who has lied to their current employer to attend an interview with me.
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Old 23-12-2016, 18:05
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Why not tell the new job the problem and see if they can change the date?

If they can't then tell your current employer the problem.

Why risk being caught in lies?
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Old 23-12-2016, 18:19
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Why not tell the new job the problem and see if they can change the date?

If they can't then tell your current employer the problem.

Why risk being caught in lies?
They cant change the date

Because then im even less likely to get the day off if its not even for a 'medical appointment'
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Old 23-12-2016, 18:39
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They cant change the date

Because then im even less likely to get the day off if its not even for a 'medical appointment'
However

1) you lie, don't get the job, get caught fibbing and lose your current job
2) you lie, get the job hand in notice, current job finds out you lied and tell new employers you lied to get days off... lose both jobs.

You, it appears, to be prepared to cost your current employer money because the can't be open without two members of staff. If they can cover you for a "medical appointment" why can't they cover you for an interview? Are they bad employers?

I just think it is wrong to lie in these situations and I think making up medical appointments is a bit "boy who cries wolf" to me.

In my 20+ years of employment I have never had a request for absence due to an interview turned down. Although I appreciate different industry's may work in different ways.
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Old 23-12-2016, 18:44
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Can only take that prior to my rota being released, im happy to put the annual leave in
Then the only thing you can do is beg a co-worker to work the shift.

If you are in the position that you can't get annual leave, no one else can take the shift and the new place can't interview you at another time then you'll have to either miss the interview or quit your current job.

Don't lie to go to the interview. If you get caught you could end up with no job.
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Old 23-12-2016, 19:21
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However

1) you lie, don't get the job, get caught fibbing and lose your current job
2) you lie, get the job hand in notice, current job finds out you lied and tell new employers you lied to get days off... lose both jobs.

You, it appears, to be prepared to cost your current employer money because the can't be open without two members of staff. If they can cover you for a "medical appointment" why can't they cover you for an interview? Are they bad employers?

I just think it is wrong to lie in these situations and I think making up medical appointments is a bit "boy who cries wolf" to me.

In my 20+ years of employment I have never had a request for absence due to an interview turned down. Although I appreciate different industry's may work in different ways.
Logically why would they go out of thier way to arrange cover for me to go for a job interview? A medical appointment has no effect on them, a lost employee does.
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Old 23-12-2016, 19:29
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I thought your username rang a bell. At some point you're going to have to make an employment related decision all by yourself. Not everything has to be an agonising drama.
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Old 23-12-2016, 19:40
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Logically why would they go out of thier way to arrange cover for me to go for a job interview? A medical appointment has no effect on them, a lost employee does.
Well you said in your opening post that if you are not there they will lose money.

They don't have to arrange cover but i find most employers understand people go for interviews, at least in my experience that has been the case.

Seems to me you don't want any advice. You have decided you are going to lie and therefore i hope it works out for you, or if it doesn't that you are prepared for any consequences.
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Old 23-12-2016, 20:09
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Logically why would they go out of thier way to arrange cover for me to go for a job interview? A medical appointment has no effect on them, a lost employee does.
Doesn't matter the reason for the absence, the fact is your absence needs to be covered. Why lie?

Have you considered you may not get the job, even if you did, wouldn't you have a notice period to work - they replace you - it's what businesses do.
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Old 23-12-2016, 22:05
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Don't lie, even if you got the job your present employer could find out and tell them (you will need a reference). This happened to someone I knew.

Speak to the new company again, and explain the situation and how much you want it (although don't beg). They should appreciate the honesty and how keen you are. If they are not interested, they don't sound like a company worth working for.
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Old 24-12-2016, 00:51
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If as you say its a very good chance of getting the job why are you worried about getting into trouble?

Tell them you have a interview and wont be in that day.
Yeah, then turn up next day looking a right tw*t saying "God, I really love my job here. Dock my pay and give me an "improvement required" annual review. I must have been mad to even think of leaving you Boss."
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Old 26-12-2016, 23:58
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I've got a novel idea! How about telling them the truth? It might just work.
This. I see the OP has said the interviewer can't change the day, how about the time? Perhaps OP you can go before or after your shift, or during a break? The interviewer may just make an exception for you since you've got a very good chance of getting the job.
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Old 27-12-2016, 16:42
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There is a modern trend to arrange interviews at really short notice.

I always refuse to agree to such interviews for 2 reasons.

1) it is disrespectful to both me and my current employer to expect me to "drop them in it" at the last minute to go to an interview.

2) If the only reason all the people at the new company are working there, is that they called in and threw a sickie to be able to have the interview - is that somewhere you really want to work ??

If it was me - I would call the interviewer back and say that you are scheduled to work and request a different time - suggest dates and times you can attend.
Point out that you are not the sort of person that phones in sick to attend interviews with another company.

If they are not flexible with something basic like interview times - do you really want to work there ??

I always tell job agencies that I will not throw sickies to attend last minute interviews.
I was considering actually writing it on my CV, but it might look a bit pompous.
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Old 27-12-2016, 17:17
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Tell the truth. I advise this from personal experience. I pulled a sickie for an interview as we'd already too many on holiday on our section. I knew they wouldn't allow it. The prospective new employer rang after I'd left for a verbal reference!! Boy did I get a bollocking next morning and suspended too.
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Old 27-12-2016, 19:26
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However

1) you lie, don't get the job, get caught fibbing and lose your current job
2) you lie, get the job hand in notice, current job finds out you lied and tell new employers you lied to get days off... lose both jobs.
As for #2 you would not believe some of the lies I've received from the previous employer towards the employee I've just recruited. One person who'd been there 10 years the employer phoned to tell me that she was unreliable and often came in late and always left early

This after several of her colleagues at the place all gave highly glowing references regarding her dedication

She's now been working with us for about 3 years and has never once been late and been totally reliable
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:44
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I happen to be working that day and there is no flexibility to change the day, if i ring in sick i could cost the company cash as we need 2 staff to run the business, and if i dont show up they will lose money.

Any advice?
Sod the company; think about yourself. Put yourself first, not other people.
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