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DMN1968
24-12-2016
If we have a comprehensive benefits and welfare system in place, there should be no need for food banks.

I used to work opposite one - the vast majority of people who went in did at least one of (a) smoked, (b) drove (c) had a dog and (d) were fiddling around on the phone. Too many people prioritise luxuries over necessities.

Perhaps if we started replacing cash handouts with vouchers for food, gas, electricity and paid housing costs direct to the landlord again, so people have guaranteed food, heat, and a roof over their heads, then the need for these would go.
CELT1987
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“I recommend that in future you just say what you mean

While we have people in need we have to rely on food banks.”

Its thanks to your beloved Tories, that people still need food banks. Sanctions, late payments of benefits have all contributed to the increase of need for food banks.
molliepops
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by DMN1968:
“If we have a comprehensive benefits and welfare system in place, there should be no need for food banks.

I used to work opposite one - the vast majority of people who went in did at least one of (a) smoked, (b) drove (c) had a dog and (d) were fiddling around on the phone. Too many people prioritise luxuries over necessities.
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Perhaps if we started replacing cash handouts with vouchers for food, gas, electricity and paid housing costs direct to the landlord again, so people have guaranteed food, heat, and a roof over their heads, then the need for these would go.”

I'm not in favour of taking away a persons transport or communications it may be their only way back into work, I'm also not keen on killing the family pet that may have been with them through a large part of their lives. Smoking well yes that can be given up but I'm not sure it's quite as easy for some as for others. I know one friend most of her cigarette is paper as the tiny bit of tobacco she allows herself really doesn't cost that much.
CELT1987
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by DMN1968:
“If we have a comprehensive benefits and welfare system in place, there should be no need for food banks.

I used to work opposite one - the vast majority of people who went in did at least one of (a) smoked, (b) drove (c) had a dog and (d) were fiddling around on the phone. Too many people prioritise luxuries over necessities.

Perhaps if we started replacing cash handouts with vouchers for food, gas, electricity and paid housing costs direct to the landlord again, so people have guaranteed food, heat, and a roof over their heads, then the need for these would go.”

Vouchers will not happen and wouldn't work.
CappySpectrum
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Vouchers will not happen and wouldn't work.”

America uses food vouchers... and the vouchers are tied to the persons name. Or as they call them food stamps.
CELT1987
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by Gordon g:
“I wasn't aware the Tories were in power in 2008. You learn something new every day.”

Well they have been since 2010, where needs of food banks have shot up.
Trulytrue
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by Gordon g:
“I wasn't aware the Tories were in power in 2008. You learn something new every day.”

I dont really want to take this OT but how anyone can still think Blair was a labour leader is beyond me. He was and is a Tory through and through he fooled many people and many people were shocked at the person he really was.

I feel it was all done on purpose so those to young to remember what labour was really like think "they are all the same" Look what labour did. True labour are people like Corbyn.. Tony Ben was true labour. a great man, a man for the people not always out for themselves.


Anyway that is all I have to say on that subject..


Many parents who both work are also in need of food banks.. How can that be? How can we let this happen.. its going to get worse job and home security is no more,.
Trulytrue
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“I'm not in favour of taking away a persons transport or communications it may be their only way back into work, I'm also not keen on killing the family pet that may have been with them through a large part of their lives. Smoking well yes that can be given up but I'm not sure it's quite as easy for some as for others. I know one friend most of her cigarette is paper as the tiny bit of tobacco she allows herself really doesn't cost that much.”


Don't you know those to ill to work or those who cannot find work are not allowed any pleasure in this life. No TV ,no phone , nothing! how dare they have anything that brings them a little comfort.


Are there no work houses???? They would rather die.. Well let it be soon!!

That is what we are now down to. No matter the governments are criminals and robbing people blind.. just as long as the poor and vulnerable have nothing , how dare they use my tax for anything that gives comfort no matter how small.
molliepops
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“Don't you know those to ill to work or those who cannot find work are not allowed any pleasure in this life. No TV ,no phone , nothing! how dare they have anything that brings them a little comfort.


Are there no work houses???? They would rather die.. Well let it be soon!!

That is what we are now down to. No matter the governments are criminals and robbing people blind.. just as long as the poor and vulnerable have nothing , how dare they use my tax for anything that gives comfort no matter how small.”

Sadly that does seem the way some people think I just know the brief time we were on benefits it wasn't nice, and the only comfort we got was from our dogs and only way back into work was having transport and being able to ring up for interviews and application forms. Even getting to the job centre we needed a car.
The_Moth
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by DMN1968:
“If we have a comprehensive benefits and welfare system in place, there should be no need for food banks.

I used to work opposite one - the vast majority of people who went in did at least one of (a) smoked, (b) drove (c) had a dog and (d) were fiddling around on the phone. Too many people prioritise luxuries over necessities.

Perhaps if we started replacing cash handouts with vouchers for food, gas, electricity and paid housing costs direct to the landlord again, so people have guaranteed food, heat, and a roof over their heads, then the need for these would go.”

The purpose of food banks is to provide short term help for people who encounter some form of financial crisis. They are not a provider of long term support. Referrals to the Trussel trust food banks are usually limited to three food vouchers per year. I recently saw a client who was refused by the food bank because their long term financial position had not changed.
Grafenwalder
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by Skaface:
“<snip>I think the most recent example I've seen was a couple of weeks ago in a BBC documentary called 'Sister Rita To The Rescue', which was based in or near Manchester, iirc. They definitely have fresh veg available at the ones I've seen, as I remember seeing a volunteer bagging up rations of about half a dozen spuds into small bags from a massive sack.”

I watched that too. An excellent little series each weekday morning. The area is Collyhurst which i gather is a deprived area of Manchester. She's certainly a 'no nonsense' type that doesn't suffer fools gladly and can spot any shirker or bad 'un a mile off! She's well respected by the community and i saw Manchester City FC is one of her regular donators too.
LostFool
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by DMN1968:
“If we have a comprehensive benefits and welfare system in place, there should be no need for food banks..”

Not necessarily. There will always be some people who get into short term difficulties. Sometimes it's from bad life choice but often it's no fault of their own. You could give some people £1000 a week they'd blow it immediately and be skint and starving a few days later. That's why educating people about budgeting is so important.
Bill Clinton
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by Lou Kelly:
“You get what you're given”

Do they cater for vegetarians, surely they do, would not just tell someone they have to accept meat. I am on ESA and have come close to going so far into the overdraft and haven't got any food left etc, not been referred to a foodbank however.
SULLA
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Its thanks to your beloved Tories, that people still need food banks. Sanctions, late payments of benefits have all contributed to the increase of need for food banks.”

It's thanks to your beloved Labour that the government have had to service a massive debt they left us with.

Never the less they have managed to continue with the welfare state.
Les Corker
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by Andy Birkenhead:
“When you go to a food bank, can you pick the food yourself or do you have to take what they sort out for you ?
How often can you use a food bank.
In cost terms, how much is the food that you receive from a food bank ?
I realise that the requirements for people with children are different than for those without, so I am thinking of husband and wife having to use a food bank.”

Get what you're given..... If you're that skint I don't see why you can be afford to be fussy
CravenHaven
24-12-2016
if you do a deposit in a food bank will it grow and grow, or does everybody shout "Dirty"?
CELT1987
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“It's thanks to your beloved Labour that the government have had to service a massive debt they left us with.

Never the less they have managed to continue with the welfare state.”

I'm not a Labour supporter. You can't keep blaming them however when the Tories are the ones sanctioning people. You think sanctioning vulnerable people who have mental health issues or learning disabilities is fair?

The Tories are to blame, as their welfare reforms have gone too far.

The Tories would love to dismantle the welfare state tomorrow if they could.

Your lucky you've not been affected by the cuts.
Grumpy_Guy
25-12-2016
Hi,

In my line of work we deal with foodbanks, I think there are restrictions on how often a person can get a food parcel and they are pre-made up so can't pick what you want.

They are useful for those genuinely in need, however I laugh when i read articles regarding there increase suggests increasing number of desperate people being about. This sadly is hard to determine as if you offer anything for free, people will take it even if not in need.

For example my colleague is currently supporting a guy in his 40's, he has been going to the food bank because he spends all his money on drink, drugs and prostitutes.
Hackettboy
25-12-2016
Originally Posted by DMN1968:
“If we have a comprehensive benefits and welfare system in place, there should be no need for food banks.

I used to work opposite one - the vast majority of people who went in did at least one of (a) smoked, (b) drove (c) had a dog and (d) were fiddling around on the phone. Too many people prioritise luxuries over necessities.

Perhaps if we started replacing cash handouts with vouchers for food, gas, electricity ed and paid housing costs direct to the landlord again, so people have guaranteed food, heat, and a roof over their heads, then the need for these would go.”

100% agree we did a food collection at work and helped out at a food bank they were all better dressed then us most were on iPhones and one even turned up in a taxi ,sad but they do get abused and people should not have luxuries and then use food banks it made the company I work for stop collecting as people were not needy just getting free items
molliepops
25-12-2016
Originally Posted by Hackettboy:
“100% agree we did a food collection at work and helped out at a food bank they were all better dressed then us most were on iPhones and one even turned up in a taxi ,sad but they do get abused and people should not have luxuries and then use food banks it made the company I work for stop collecting as people were not needy just getting free items”

I've had totally the opposite experience, the shame in people's eyes has haunted me everytime I've taken donations to them. I don't envy anyone their clothes and phones they may well have had them when they lost their job or became too sick to work. I know when we were at a low point we had no choice but to continue paying off our car, and I don't believe we could possibly be alone in that. Companies don't forgive just because you lose a job or have a stroke or something they still expect you to pay them no matter your situation.
alan29
25-12-2016
Originally Posted by DMN1968:
“If we have a comprehensive benefits and welfare system in place, there should be no need for food banks.

I used to work opposite one - the vast majority of people who went in did at least one of (a) smoked, (b) drove (c) had a dog and (d) were fiddling around on the phone. Too many people prioritise luxuries over necessities.

Perhaps if we started replacing cash handouts with vouchers for food, gas, electricity and paid housing costs direct to the landlord again, so people have guaranteed food, heat, and a roof over their heads, then the need for these would go.”

Most clients of Foodbanks are in work.
I will repeat that.
Most clients of Foodbanks are in work.
The issue is employers not paying proper pay and the taxpayer having to subsidise their employees through benefits. People in that situation are one unexpected bill or one late benefit payment away from crisis.
I really hope that companies who are relying on you and me to subsidise their wage bill through benefits aren't paying out dividends to shareholders at the same time. That would be an unethical use of the benefit system by those companies.
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