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Thanks for that, Jennifer_F, I shall go look his books up on Amazon.
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Sorry but you are wrong. Len is an Eastender, he was born in Bethnal Green.
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page Births Jun 1944 (>99%) Goodman Leonard G Eldridge Bromley 2a 1718 |
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Len and Anton are good mates, Anton was the only Strictly celeb at Len's wedding. If Len has any input Anton is a shoo-in for his old job..
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Sorry but you are wrong. Len is an Eastender, he was born in Bethnal Green.
25 April 1944 Bromley, England https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Goodman |
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Born Leonard Gordon Goodman
25 April 1944 Bromley, England https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Goodman |
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Wonkypedia has Bromley and the birth was registered in Bromley.
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page Births Jun 1944 (>99%) Goodman Leonard G Eldridge Bromley 2a 1718 |
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IMDb has Bethnal Green. Anyone who knows for certain can correct one or other site.
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Wikipedia is known for not being correct. Len was born in Bethnal Green, and it states so on his own website.
There are all sorts of reasons that his parents may have registered his birth in a place other than where he was actually born - and not forgetting that this was in the middle of WW2 in an area where residents may have been evacuated or certainly would have been prone to mobility. |
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Wikipedia is known for not being correct. Len was born in Bethnal Green, and it states so on his own website.
My sons were both born in a different district to the one they were registered in. Presumably, something like that has happened here. Len was born in Bethnal Green but his birth was registered in Bromley. He could have been born in a Bethnal Green hospital but his parents lived in Bromley. He could have been born at home in Bethnal Green but whoever registered the birth did it in Bromley because they worked there. Bromley was probably just the nearest register office to his home (in Bethnal Green). There are all sorts of scenarios. Wikipedia is better than urban legend has it. Most errors are either vandalism and corrected almost immediately, or discussed and either agreement arrived at (via sourcing) or if not, deleted altogether. However, it does depend on the level of interest in a particular page and Len's page doesn't seem very popular - the talk page is very thin. You can see that the sourcing is itself confused. The place of birth section links to both a register site (saying Bromley) and a Guardian article (saying Bethnal Green). I'd leave a note there to get a senior editor to alter it, or indeed, just alter it myself, but I'm on my phone and it's a pain. Anyone here can do it or, if I remember, I'll get around to it after Christmas. ETA - sorry, Fuschia, posting as you were. |
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Bromley is the place that the birth was officially registered, not the place that he was necessarily born. Bromley is a civil registration district and a stone's throw boundary wise from Bethnal Green.
There are all sorts of reasons that his parents may have registered his birth in a place other than where he was actually born - and not forgetting that this was in the middle of WW2 in an area where residents may have been evacuated or certainly would have been prone to mobility. |
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He has been an integral part of SCD, but over the past 2 series he just seems to be getting a little 'uppity' with the audience, and also in the semi final made it plain who he wanted to see get through. Can't remember him doing that before, not in such a brazen manner anyway. As he says himself though, time waits for no-one,and SCD will move on, with or without 'single cog' len.
His replacement, surely, will be Anton. HE HAS HUNG AROUND WITH FAR TOO MANY DUFFERS recently for this not be his' reward'.
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Len's birth was indeed registered in Bromley, as any official register site such as findmypast.co.uk will tell you. This is fact.
My sons were both born in a different district to the one they were registered in. Presumably, something like that has happened here. Len was born in Bethnal Green but his birth was registered in Bromley. He could have been born in a Bethnal Green hospital but his parents lived in Bromley. He could have been born at home in Bethnal Green but whoever registered the birth did it in Bromley because they worked there. Bromley was probably just the nearest register office to his home (in Bethnal Green). There are all sorts of scenarios. Wikipedia is better than urban legend has it. Most errors are either vandalism and corrected almost immediately, or discussed and either agreement arrived at (via sourcing) or if not, deleted altogether. However, it does depend on the level of interest in a particular page and Len's page doesn't seem very popular - the talk page is very thin. You can see that the sourcing is itself confused. The place of birth section links to both a register site (saying Bromley) and a Guardian article (saying Bethnal Green). I'd leave a note there to get a senior editor to alter it, or indeed, just alter it themselves, but I'm on my phone and it's a pain. Anyone here can do it or, if I remember, I'll get around to it after Christmas. ETA - sorry, Fuschia, posting as you were. |
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Surely place of birth - which is what we are talking about - is different to place where the birth is registered. ? If you look at Lens own website, it states he was born in Bethnal Green and I would like to think that he surely knows where he was born.
If you want to change it on Wiki, which has double contradictory sourcing for the Bromley mention, go ahead, as I also said. Point out the erroneous sourcing in the talk page. Someone will change it for you if you don't know any Wiki markup. Otherwise, it'll have to wait until I get back to my laptop. Wiki is fine to read on a phone but a pain to edit. |
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I fully agree with your comments, but my post was in reply to someone stating that Kaycee's earlier post was not correct where it was mentioned that Len is an Eastender. The poster said he was born in Bromley - when in fact he was born in Bethnal Green. We were referring to place of birth not where the birth was registered.
The registered birth only tells you the place it was registered, and not where the person was born - the birth certificate is needed for that. Others have assumed that because the birth registered in Bromley, that is where he must have been born. Not so - as you have already stated, so I was agreeing with you (albeit in a somewhat circuitous way).
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That's what I said! Wiki has the registration location but is calling it the birth location.
If you want to change it on Wiki, which has double contradictory sourcing for the Bromley mention, go ahead, as I also said. Point out the erroneous sourcing in the talk page. Someone will change it for you if you don't know any Wiki markup. Otherwise, it'll have to wait until I get back to my laptop. Wiki is fine to read on a phone but a pain to edit. |
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Len's birth was indeed registered in Bromley, as any official register site such as findmypast.co.uk will tell you. This is fact.
My sons were both born in a different district to the one they were registered in. Presumably, something like that has happened here. Len was born in Bethnal Green but his birth was registered in Bromley. He could have been born in a Bethnal Green hospital but his parents lived in Bromley. He could have been born at home in Bethnal Green but whoever registered the birth did it in Bromley because they worked there. Bromley was probably just the nearest register office to his home (in Bethnal Green). There are all sorts of scenarios. Wikipedia is better than urban legend has it. Most errors are either vandalism and corrected almost immediately, or discussed and either agreement arrived at (via sourcing) or if not, deleted altogether. However, it does depend on the level of interest in a particular page and Len's page doesn't seem very popular - the talk page is very thin. You can see that the sourcing is itself confused. The place of birth section links to both a register site (saying Bromley) and a Guardian article (saying Bethnal Green). I'd leave a note there to get a senior editor to alter it, or indeed, just alter it myself, but I'm on my phone and it's a pain. Anyone here can do it or, if I remember, I'll get around to it after Christmas. ETA - sorry, Fuschia, posting as you were.
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Yes, I realise that - maybe I should have replied to one of the other FMs.
The registered birth only tells you the place it was registered, and not where the person was born - the birth certificate is needed for that. Others have assumed that because the birth registered in Bromley, that is where he must have been born. Not so - as you have already stated, so I was agreeing with you (albeit in a somewhat circuitous way). ![]() |
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Back on topic, I have not seen the programme yet but hope to do so, on catch up over the next few days.
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Bromley-by-Bow is East London. Otherwise Bromley is in Kent. I'm assuming from fuschia's remark about Bromley being a stone's throw from Bethnal Green that Len' s birth was registered in Browley-by-Bow and not Bromley, Kent.
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Bromley-by-Bow is East London. Otherwise Bromley is in Kent. I'm assuming from fuschia's remark about Bromley being a stone's throw from Bethnal Green that Len' s birth was registered in Browley-by-Bow and not Bromley, Kent.
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No - Bromley by Bow wasn't a registration district in its own right - I think it was part of Bethnal Green. The registration district of Bromley in Kent doesn't just comprise the town of Bromley - it's an entire district covering other towns/villages etc, the boundaries of which came very close to the neighbouring registration districts, of which Bethnal Green was one.
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It really doesn't bother me, I really don't have any interest whatsoever, I was just correcting someone that's all. I'm sure if someone can be bothered to do something about it, it will be corrected in time.
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Bromley is the place that the birth was officially registered, not the place that he was necessarily born. Bromley is a civil registration district and a stone's throw boundary wise from Bethnal Green.
There are all sorts of reasons that his parents may have registered his birth in a place other than where he was actually born - and not forgetting that this was in the middle of WW2 in an area where residents may have been evacuated or certainly would have been prone to mobility. Bromley is in Kent, Bethnal Green never seems to have been part of the registration district. It's possible that his mother gave birth away from home but might have expected them to register the birth on returning home. |
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On a laptop, it's a thirty second job. If you can use emojis on here, you can edit Wikipedia when you see an error you can substantiate. Otherwise, a bit unfair of you to disparage it as "known for being incorrect".
Have a great Christmas and New Year , I'm just about to open the bubbly
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Not really because Bromley (Kent) is nowhere near Bethnal Green being on the other side of the river and south! But as Len hails from ancient times ... who can tell!
![]() ![]() ![]() Happy Christmas fuschia ![]() Suffice to say that to find a birth registered a few miles down the road from where the birth actually took place is not in the least bit unusual. Trust me - I've researched more ancestors than I've had hot dinners!
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