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Old 24-12-2016, 10:44
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Thanks for that, Jennifer_F, I shall go look his books up on Amazon.
Not sure how many there are, but I have read one, and it was very enjoyable easy read. Sure you'll like it
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Old 24-12-2016, 11:23
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Sorry but you are wrong. Len is an Eastender, he was born in Bethnal Green.
Wonkypedia has Bromley and the birth was registered in Bromley.

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1944 (>99%)
Goodman Leonard G Eldridge Bromley 2a 1718
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Old 24-12-2016, 12:54
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Len and Anton are good mates, Anton was the only Strictly celeb at Len's wedding. If Len has any input Anton is a shoo-in for his old job..
Well as it said on the show that it was Erin that recommended Len for the job in the first place and Anton & Erin have been professional partners for many, many years I assume (and already knew) that Len & Anton are great mates.
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Old 24-12-2016, 13:25
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Sorry but you are wrong. Len is an Eastender, he was born in Bethnal Green.
Born Leonard Gordon Goodman
25 April 1944
Bromley, England

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Goodman
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Old 24-12-2016, 14:05
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Born Leonard Gordon Goodman
25 April 1944
Bromley, England

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Goodman
IMDb has Bethnal Green. Anyone who knows for certain can correct one or other site.
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Old 24-12-2016, 15:44
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Wonkypedia has Bromley and the birth was registered in Bromley.

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1944 (>99%)
Goodman Leonard G Eldridge Bromley 2a 1718
Wikipedia is known for not being correct. Len was born in Bethnal Green, and it states so on his own website.
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Old 24-12-2016, 15:51
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IMDb has Bethnal Green. Anyone who knows for certain can correct one or other site.
As an IMDb user and contributor you cannot enter bio-data without a url to verify the info and they do not accept Wikipedia urls. So not anyone can make the correction and unlike Wikipedia, IMDb tries to maintain some integrity as an information site.
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Old 24-12-2016, 16:08
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Wikipedia is known for not being correct. Len was born in Bethnal Green, and it states so on his own website.
Bromley is the place that the birth was officially registered, not the place that he was necessarily born. Bromley is a civil registration district and a stone's throw boundary wise from Bethnal Green.

There are all sorts of reasons that his parents may have registered his birth in a place other than where he was actually born - and not forgetting that this was in the middle of WW2 in an area where residents may have been evacuated or certainly would have been prone to mobility.
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Old 24-12-2016, 16:15
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Wikipedia is known for not being correct. Len was born in Bethnal Green, and it states so on his own website.
Len's birth was indeed registered in Bromley, as any official register site such as findmypast.co.uk will tell you. This is fact.

My sons were both born in a different district to the one they were registered in. Presumably, something like that has happened here. Len was born in Bethnal Green but his birth was registered in Bromley. He could have been born in a Bethnal Green hospital but his parents lived in Bromley. He could have been born at home in Bethnal Green but whoever registered the birth did it in Bromley because they worked there. Bromley was probably just the nearest register office to his home (in Bethnal Green). There are all sorts of scenarios.

Wikipedia is better than urban legend has it. Most errors are either vandalism and corrected almost immediately, or discussed and either agreement arrived at (via sourcing) or if not, deleted altogether. However, it does depend on the level of interest in a particular page and Len's page doesn't seem very popular - the talk page is very thin. You can see that the sourcing is itself confused. The place of birth section links to both a register site (saying Bromley) and a Guardian article (saying Bethnal Green). I'd leave a note there to get a senior editor to alter it, or indeed, just alter it myself, but I'm on my phone and it's a pain. Anyone here can do it or, if I remember, I'll get around to it after Christmas.

ETA - sorry, Fuschia, posting as you were.
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Old 24-12-2016, 16:16
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Bromley is the place that the birth was officially registered, not the place that he was necessarily born. Bromley is a civil registration district and a stone's throw boundary wise from Bethnal Green.

There are all sorts of reasons that his parents may have registered his birth in a place other than where he was actually born - and not forgetting that this was in the middle of WW2 in an area where residents may have been evacuated or certainly would have been prone to mobility.
I fully agree with your comments, but my post was in reply to someone stating that Kaycee's earlier post was not correct where it was mentioned that Len is an Eastender. The poster said he was born in Bromley - when in fact he was born in Bethnal Green. We were referring to place of birth not where the birth was registered.
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Old 24-12-2016, 16:18
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He has been an integral part of SCD, but over the past 2 series he just seems to be getting a little 'uppity' with the audience, and also in the semi final made it plain who he wanted to see get through. Can't remember him doing that before, not in such a brazen manner anyway. As he says himself though, time waits for no-one,and SCD will move on, with or without 'single cog' len.
His replacement, surely, will be Anton. HE HAS HUNG AROUND WITH FAR TOO MANY DUFFERS recently for this not be his' reward'.

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Old 24-12-2016, 16:20
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Len's birth was indeed registered in Bromley, as any official register site such as findmypast.co.uk will tell you. This is fact.

My sons were both born in a different district to the one they were registered in. Presumably, something like that has happened here. Len was born in Bethnal Green but his birth was registered in Bromley. He could have been born in a Bethnal Green hospital but his parents lived in Bromley. He could have been born at home in Bethnal Green but whoever registered the birth did it in Bromley because they worked there. Bromley was probably just the nearest register office to his home (in Bethnal Green). There are all sorts of scenarios.

Wikipedia is better than urban legend has it. Most errors are either vandalism and corrected almost immediately, or discussed and either agreement arrived at (via sourcing) or if not, deleted altogether. However, it does depend on the level of interest in a particular page and Len's page doesn't seem very popular - the talk page is very thin. You can see that the sourcing is itself confused. The place of birth section links to both a register site (saying Bromley) and a Guardian article (saying Bethnal Green). I'd leave a note there to get a senior editor to alter it, or indeed, just alter it themselves, but I'm on my phone and it's a pain. Anyone here can do it or, if I remember, I'll get around to it after Christmas.

ETA - sorry, Fuschia, posting as you were.
Surely place of birth - which is what we are talking about - is different to place where the birth is registered. ? If you look at Lens own website, it states he was born in Bethnal Green and I would like to think that he surely knows where he was born.
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Old 24-12-2016, 16:26
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Surely place of birth - which is what we are talking about - is different to place where the birth is registered. ? If you look at Lens own website, it states he was born in Bethnal Green and I would like to think that he surely knows where he was born.
That's what I said! Wiki has the registration location but is calling it the birth location.

If you want to change it on Wiki, which has double contradictory sourcing for the Bromley mention, go ahead, as I also said. Point out the erroneous sourcing in the talk page. Someone will change it for you if you don't know any Wiki markup. Otherwise, it'll have to wait until I get back to my laptop. Wiki is fine to read on a phone but a pain to edit.
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Old 24-12-2016, 16:29
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I fully agree with your comments, but my post was in reply to someone stating that Kaycee's earlier post was not correct where it was mentioned that Len is an Eastender. The poster said he was born in Bromley - when in fact he was born in Bethnal Green. We were referring to place of birth not where the birth was registered.
Yes, I realise that - maybe I should have replied to one of the other FMs.

The registered birth only tells you the place it was registered, and not where the person was born - the birth certificate is needed for that. Others have assumed that because the birth registered in Bromley, that is where he must have been born. Not so - as you have already stated, so I was agreeing with you (albeit in a somewhat circuitous way).
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Old 24-12-2016, 16:30
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That's what I said! Wiki has the registration location but is calling it the birth location.

If you want to change it on Wiki, which has double contradictory sourcing for the Bromley mention, go ahead, as I also said. Point out the erroneous sourcing in the talk page. Someone will change it for you if you don't know any Wiki markup. Otherwise, it'll have to wait until I get back to my laptop. Wiki is fine to read on a phone but a pain to edit.
It really doesn't bother me, I really don't have any interest whatsoever, I was just correcting someone that's all. I'm sure if someone can be bothered to do something about it, it will be corrected in time.
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Old 24-12-2016, 16:31
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Len's birth was indeed registered in Bromley, as any official register site such as findmypast.co.uk will tell you. This is fact.

My sons were both born in a different district to the one they were registered in. Presumably, something like that has happened here. Len was born in Bethnal Green but his birth was registered in Bromley. He could have been born in a Bethnal Green hospital but his parents lived in Bromley. He could have been born at home in Bethnal Green but whoever registered the birth did it in Bromley because they worked there. Bromley was probably just the nearest register office to his home (in Bethnal Green). There are all sorts of scenarios.

Wikipedia is better than urban legend has it. Most errors are either vandalism and corrected almost immediately, or discussed and either agreement arrived at (via sourcing) or if not, deleted altogether. However, it does depend on the level of interest in a particular page and Len's page doesn't seem very popular - the talk page is very thin. You can see that the sourcing is itself confused. The place of birth section links to both a register site (saying Bromley) and a Guardian article (saying Bethnal Green). I'd leave a note there to get a senior editor to alter it, or indeed, just alter it myself, but I'm on my phone and it's a pain. Anyone here can do it or, if I remember, I'll get around to it after Christmas.

ETA - sorry, Fuschia, posting as you were.
Indeed - first rule of family history research - if you can't find a birth where you expect it to be, look in the neighbouring parishes and/or registration districts!
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Old 24-12-2016, 16:33
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Yes, I realise that - maybe I should have replied to one of the other FMs.

The registered birth only tells you the place it was registered, and not where the person was born - the birth certificate is needed for that. Others have assumed that because the birth registered in Bromley, that is where he must have been born. Not so - as you have already stated, so I was agreeing with you (albeit in a somewhat circuitous way).
Back on topic, I have not seen the programme yet but hope to do so, on catch up over the next few days.
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Old 24-12-2016, 16:38
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Back on topic, I have not seen the programme yet but hope to do so, on catch up over the next few days.
I enjoyed it. I was a bit disappointed that it wasn't more of a retrospective over the whole period of his tenure but it was a nice bit of nostaglia nonetheless. It certainly came through to me that with Len what you see is what you get - not much trace of artifice there, if any!
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Old 24-12-2016, 16:43
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Bromley-by-Bow is East London. Otherwise Bromley is in Kent. I'm assuming from fuschia's remark about Bromley being a stone's throw from Bethnal Green that Len' s birth was registered in Browley-by-Bow and not Bromley, Kent.

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Old 24-12-2016, 16:55
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Bromley-by-Bow is East London. Otherwise Bromley is in Kent. I'm assuming from fuschia's remark about Bromley being a stone's throw from Bethnal Green that Len' s birth was registered in Browley-by-Bow and not Bromley, Kent.

No - Bromley by Bow wasn't a registration district in its own right - I think it was part of Bethnal Green. The registration district of Bromley in Kent doesn't just comprise the town of Bromley - it's an entire district covering other towns/villages etc, the boundaries of which came very close to the neighbouring registration districts, of which Bethnal Green was one.

Does that make sense?
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Old 24-12-2016, 16:59
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No - Bromley by Bow wasn't a registration district in its own right - I think it was part of Bethnal Green. The registration district of Bromley in Kent doesn't just comprise the town of Bromley - it's an entire district covering other towns/villages etc, the boundaries of which came very close to the neighbouring registration districts, of which Bethnal Green was one.

Does that make sense?
Not really because Bromley (Kent) is nowhere near Bethnal Green being on the other side of the river and south! But as Len hails from ancient times ... who can tell!

Happy Christmas fuschia
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Old 24-12-2016, 17:06
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It really doesn't bother me, I really don't have any interest whatsoever, I was just correcting someone that's all. I'm sure if someone can be bothered to do something about it, it will be corrected in time.
On a laptop, it's a thirty second job. If you can use emojis on here, you can edit Wikipedia when you see an error you can substantiate. Otherwise, a bit unfair of you to disparage it as "known for being incorrect".
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Old 24-12-2016, 17:12
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Bromley is the place that the birth was officially registered, not the place that he was necessarily born. Bromley is a civil registration district and a stone's throw boundary wise from Bethnal Green.

There are all sorts of reasons that his parents may have registered his birth in a place other than where he was actually born - and not forgetting that this was in the middle of WW2 in an area where residents may have been evacuated or certainly would have been prone to mobility.
Bethnal Green is in Middlesex, it was a registration district until 1961 when it became part of Tower Hamlets.

Bromley is in Kent, Bethnal Green never seems to have been part of the registration district.

It's possible that his mother gave birth away from home but might have expected them to register the birth on returning home.
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Old 24-12-2016, 17:14
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On a laptop, it's a thirty second job. If you can use emojis on here, you can edit Wikipedia when you see an error you can substantiate. Otherwise, a bit unfair of you to disparage it as "known for being incorrect".
I'm sure it is easy, but I'm not bothered at all whether the information on there is correct or not. I thought that it was common knowledge that Wiki was not always factually correct ? I'm only voicing what others say...or have said....
Have a great Christmas and New Year , I'm just about to open the bubbly
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Old 24-12-2016, 17:32
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Not really because Bromley (Kent) is nowhere near Bethnal Green being on the other side of the river and south! But as Len hails from ancient times ... who can tell!

Happy Christmas fuschia
If you really want to know the ins and outs I'll pm you - we're way off topic here! Suffice to say that to find a birth registered a few miles down the road from where the birth actually took place is not in the least bit unusual. Trust me - I've researched more ancestors than I've had hot dinners!

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