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Old 25-12-2016, 11:38
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I don't think she is actually, she displayed a very lukewarm response to the idea of remain during the campaigning before the referendum, and this was noted widely at the time, she practically disappeared at one point and then when Cameron resigned she then mounted a very robust challenge to the other contenders for PM knowing she was going to be leading the government during our leaving the EU.

Since then she has not shown any lack of enthusiasm for leaving, she didn't need to appeal the High Court's decision on brexit but did and all the way to the Supreme Court at that, she has secured the vote of MPs in favour of the timetable and has consistently said that Article 50 will be triggered by end of March

She has not displayed any signs of being a secret, or none secret remainer that I can see, I suspect she has always leaned towards leave
She voted to remain so she's a remainer.
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Old 25-12-2016, 11:43
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How can you possibly know that?
Er, the actual FACT that a large number of people who voted to stay in Europe in 1975 voted to Leave in 2016.

I haven't changed my views over the last half century and know many, many others who haven't either,
on whichever side they fall.
I can well believe that.
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Old 25-12-2016, 11:43
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May is a remainer don't forget.
It came out pre-referendum, when she was virtually invisible, that her constituency wallahs had been dismayed and somewhat surprised to discover they would be officially campaigning for Remain as they had been expecting to be Leave, like the adjoining constituencies of Windsor and Wokingham (Afriyie & Redwood) and Wycombe (Baker).
Meanwhile, Theresa was 'busy' looking after the country while Cameron and Osborne did their thing, or visiting old ladies' parties in her constituency.
I have always suspected that she's as much 'Remain' as Corbyn, just craftier.
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Old 25-12-2016, 11:48
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She voted to remain so she's a remainer.
How do you know? has she actually said she voted to remain? I have not seen or heard that
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Old 25-12-2016, 11:56
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It came out pre-referendum, when she was virtually invisible, that her constituency wallahs had been dismayed and somewhat surprised to discover they would be officially campaigning for Remain as they had been expecting to be Leave, like the adjoining constituencies of Windsor and Wokingham (Afriyie & Redwood) and Wycombe (Baker).
Meanwhile, Theresa was 'busy' looking after the country while Cameron and Osborne did their thing, or visiting old ladies' parties in her constituency.
I have always suspected that she's as much 'Remain' as Corbyn, just craftier.
I have long suspected Theresa May's craftiness - she neatly got that vote from the house of commons about the timetable for Brexit, symbolic it might be but revealing nevertheless, and all she offered in return was 'some' detail on brexit plans to follow which they were probably going to give anyway

I think her wiliness may be quite an asset when it comes to the nitty gritty of our negotiations out of the EU!
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Old 25-12-2016, 12:13
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How do you know? has she actually said she voted to remain? I have not seen or heard that
She campaigned to remain so it would be odd for her not to vote that way

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10...may/maidenhead

And not to forget the Sachs speach

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-about-brexit
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Old 25-12-2016, 12:19
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the Leave voter at the height of his intellectual powers.
It's obvious that you and a small handful of posters (on both sides) are just flat out trolling now. The above comment perfectly highlights it.
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Old 25-12-2016, 13:49
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Have to disagree there. If we ever want back in it'll be a lot longer than 20 years and we'll be treated like crap if we do.
I doubt the nonsense that is the EU will be here in 2 years let alone 20, so I have no fear of being taken back in. It's finished, done, dead, thank god.
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Old 25-12-2016, 13:50
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What a load of old twaddle.
Agreed, too much sherry.
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Old 25-12-2016, 13:56
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Only by not thinking about it can anyone believe those slogans have meaning.

As was discussed during the referendum campaign and ever since, leaving the EU can have many flavours, from Norway to North Korea. And "best deal for the UK" is also meaningless. Best deal for hard line Brexit fanatics, best for banks, best deal for manufacturers, best deal for workers are all different.

Try engaging brain.
Not the way you do it thank you, I find deliberately missing the point and letting ones own predjudice take over rather than using rational thought doesn't work.
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Old 25-12-2016, 14:15
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It's Mrs. May who is asking for unity and you should welcome it. Once the withdrawal is effected, you will no longer be a Remnant, you'll be one of us Brexiters.
The Conservatives won the last GE. Do you think that automatically makes us all Tories too?
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Old 25-12-2016, 15:23
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The Conservatives won the last GE. Do you think that automatically makes us all Tories too?
No, they're just your masters you have to live with.
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Old 25-12-2016, 16:10
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No, they're just your masters you have to live with.
Festive emoticons. Like this year hasn't been nearly disappointing enough.
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Old 25-12-2016, 16:52
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I don't think she is actually, she displayed a very lukewarm response to the idea of remain during the campaigning before the referendum, and this was noted widely at the time, she practically disappeared at one point and then when Cameron resigned she then mounted a very robust challenge to the other contenders for PM knowing she was going to be leading the government during our leaving the EU.

Since then she has not shown any lack of enthusiasm for leaving, she didn't need to appeal the High Court's decision on brexit but did and all the way to the Supreme Court at that, she has secured the vote of MPs in favour of the timetable and has consistently said that Article 50 will be triggered by end of March

She has not displayed any signs of being a secret, or none secret remainer that I can see, I suspect she has always leaned towards leave
May had a low profile during the referendum because as Home Secretary the Conservative's failure to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands would have been raised.
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:19
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May had a low profile during the referendum because as Home Secretary the Conservative's failure to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands would have been raised.
well it was raised, time and time again, I don't think she kept a low profile for that reason
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:33
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well it was raised, time and time again, I don't think she kept a low profile for that reason
I do not think it was raised much in questioning the Conservative who were at the front to the campaign. For example Osborne and his the economy will be doomed if you vote for Brexit diatribes.
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Old 25-12-2016, 23:56
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In the words of the late President Kennedy Think not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.
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Old 26-12-2016, 01:16
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I'm certainly not going to unite and move forward with the isolationists, little Englanders, racists, xenophobic, prejudiced, short-sighted, uninformed and minority of the population who voted Leave. Those of us on the Remain side will be fighting an on-going war of attrition.
A brilliant post. I couldn't agree more. We can and will win this fight. And nobody should forget this is isn't just a fight to preserve our place at the heart of the EU project, it is also about fighting to save our UK.
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Old 26-12-2016, 05:00
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Er, the actual FACT that a large number of people who voted to stay in Europe in 1975 voted to Leave in 2016.
What fact...and what do you mean by a large number?

In 1975 17.4m (67%) voted to remain and 8.5m (33%) voted NON.
In 2016 16.1m (52%) voted to remain and 17.4 (52%) jumped off a cliff.

Those registered to vote in 1975 totalled 40.5m compared to 46.5m in 2016.
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Old 26-12-2016, 05:12
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May was probably seeking for the Tory party to unite, even amongst the Leave campaigners knifes have been drawn and sharpened.

Theresa May isn't the choice of the Tory membership, Gove is seen as an outcast and Johnson an opportunist.

In 2017 will we hear Theresa May utter those famous historic words..."infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me."
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Old 26-12-2016, 05:20
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Well said PM.
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Old 26-12-2016, 05:56
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What fact...and what do you mean by a large number?

In 1975 17.4m (67%) voted to remain and 8.5m (33%) voted NON.
In 2016 16.1m (52%) voted to remain and 17.4 (52%) jumped off a cliff.

Those registered to vote in 1975 totalled 40.5m compared to 46.5m in 2016.
Double the number voted out in 2016. If that doesn't indicate that a lrage number of people switched sides between 1975 and 2016, I don't know what does.

Not sure what the jumping of a cliff bit is all about. If you don't want to discuss this in a reasonable way, then there's no point in further discussion.
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Old 26-12-2016, 06:44
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No, they're just your masters you have to live with.
Oh, no they're not! The Conservative party, for all their control of the the levers of power, are, like a set of tattered old underwear, changeable every now and them. That is not the case with Brexit, and the reason it will fail. In the meantime Mrs May is doing a very good job of fouling it all up anyway. Long may she continue!
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Old 26-12-2016, 08:09
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No, they're just your masters you have to live with.
as long as it is Anna Soubry 😊
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Old 26-12-2016, 08:47
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What fact...and what do you mean by a large number?

In 1975 17.4m (67%) voted to remain and 8.5m (33%) voted NON.
In 2016 16.1m (52%) voted to remain and 17.4 (52%) jumped off a cliff.

Those registered to vote in 1975 totalled 40.5m compared to 46.5m in 2016.
Eh???
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