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Old 28-12-2016, 11:57
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The DC5 were another good pop group, and they got the business side right. If The Beatles had wanted to appear on the Ed Sullivan Show every week, they could have, but they moved on remarkably quickly with what they were doing, whereas group[s like The Hollies, and the DC5 stuck with what worked, and there really wasn't anywhere else for them to go.

The Hollies tried to get psychedelic with Butterfly, but it pretty much flopped, and led to Graham Nash going off to the USA, whilst The Hollies went back to what they were best at.

The Beatles were said to be superb live before they were famous, but once they were, they were unable to perform properly due to crowd noise, and poor sound systems of the day.

The DC5 cannot be compared to the likes of The Beatles, The Stones and Led Zeppelin. They were an out and out pop group.
Of course they can't. They were ordinary middle of the road pop as the Hollies were.

Nov 1963, The Beatles performing on The Royal Variety Show with a quiet audience. An excellent live performance when they could be heard!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4tItQYu1Hs

Just one year after their first single Love Me Do, then From me to You, She Loves You and their first LP Please Please Me.
I'd have liked to see people like next generation ABBA perform on stage with just that sound equipment and nothing else they and others were using for enhancement by then..
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Old 28-12-2016, 12:19
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In terms of longevity, record sales and enduring popularity (still touring/performing !) I reckon you’ve got a point.

The 60’s Beatles are just a dim and distant memory for many people.
In terms of longevity yes, but when it comes to record sales The Rolling Stones (93.9m certified sales) are only at No.13 of the top selling artists of all time - The Beatles still out-selling them (257.7m sales). Sales are surely a fair indicator of popularity - you don't tend to buy music by an artist you don't like!

Sure The Rolling Stones endure and remain extremely popular, but their record sales lag far behind The Beatles, as well as 11 other artists, 5 of whom are not still performing/alive/together. http://www.statisticbrain.com/top-se...s-of-all-time/
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Old 28-12-2016, 12:20
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Over rated I say, there were many other great bands around then and just like today, the music industry and playlists for radio are selective
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Old 28-12-2016, 12:37
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Over rated I say, there were many other great bands around then and just like today, the music industry and playlists for radio are selective
There were many great bands that followed them, and developed as time passed. The sheer pace of how music developed from 1963 to 1970 was incredible, and The Beatles were at the forefront of that.

So many of those great bands were inspired by them, and the way they were allowed to develop meant record companies allowed so may others to do the same, which was a reason so much great music was forthcoming.

The Beatles cannot be over rated. People can not like them, but what they did cannot be argued with.
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Old 28-12-2016, 12:41
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Oh no they weren't. Don't be silly. I'm sure they found them amusing though.
I can’t believe you’ve posted that;

Bonzo’s frontman, Viv Stanshall, was a musical genius;

…who else could have said ”Tubular Bells!” with such aplomb.
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Old 28-12-2016, 13:14
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In terms of longevity yes, but when it comes to record sales The Rolling Stones (93.9m certified sales) are only at No.13 of the top selling artists of all time - The Beatles still out-selling them (257.7m sales). Sales are surely a fair indicator of popularity - you don't tend to buy music by an artist you don't like!

Sure The Rolling Stones endure and remain extremely popular, but their record sales lag far behind The Beatles, as well as 11 other artists, 5 of whom are not still performing/alive/together. http://www.statisticbrain.com/top-se...s-of-all-time/
I tend to treat those sales lists with a fair degree of cynicism;

…Mariah Carey 128M certified sales! what???, and Pink Floyd only 114M certified sales.

That’s got to tell you something ;

….and who exactly ‘certified’ the ‘sales’ whatever that means; ….(was it Mariah Carey herself ?).
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Old 28-12-2016, 13:21
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I tend to treat those sales lists with a fair degree of cynicism;

…Mariah Carey 128M certified sales! what???, and Pink Floyd only 114M certified sales.

That’s got to tell you something ;

….and who exactly ‘certified’ the ‘sales’ whatever that means; ….(was it Mariah Carey herself ?).
Seems quite low - The Guinness Book of World Records states Carey has sold over 200m.

ETA: I feel sorry for the eardrums of all those people
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Old 28-12-2016, 13:30
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There were many great bands that followed them, and developed as time passed. The sheer pace of how music developed from 1963 to 1970 was incredible, and The Beatles were at the forefront of that.

So many of those great bands were inspired by them, and the way they were allowed to develop meant record companies allowed so may others to do the same, which was a reason so much great music was forthcoming.

The Beatles cannot be over rated. People can not like them, but what they did cannot be argued with.
oh, I think they can be DP.
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:53
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Seems quite low - The Guinness Book of World Records states Carey has sold over 200m.

ETA: I feel sorry for the eardrums of all those people
I'm struggling to think of any of her songs apart from that Christmas one
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:07
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In terms of longevity yes, but when it comes to record sales The Rolling Stones (93.9m certified sales) are only at No.13 of the top selling artists of all time - The Beatles still out-selling them (257.7m sales). Sales are surely a fair indicator of popularity - you don't tend to buy music by an artist you don't like!

Sure The Rolling Stones endure and remain extremely popular, but their record sales lag far behind The Beatles, as well as 11 other artists, 5 of whom are not still performing/alive/together. http://www.statisticbrain.com/top-se...s-of-all-time/
Wtf Mariah Carey above Queen, Rolling Stones and AC/DC that's crazy.
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:09
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Seems quite low - The Guinness Book of World Records states Carey has sold over 200m.

ETA: I feel sorry for the eardrums of all those people
It's quite a feat to remember which note she started bawling before she mangled it with several others.
This is so funny and it's also in the wrong key so she zooms up a descant and screeches even louder.
Poor old Oh Holy Night gets murdered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEJmP8T07JU
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:14
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I'm struggling to think of any of her songs apart from that Christmas one
I’m even struggling to remember anything about that Xmas song;

… but I’ll never forget the truly vomitous video that accompanied it.
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:17
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I’m even struggling to remember anything about that Xmas song;

… but I’ll never forget the truly vomitous video that accompanied it.
it was a reworking of "all i want for christmas is my two front teeth"
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:17
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Where is Shirley Bassey on the list i'm sure she's over 100 million sales. And Mariah's voice is crap compared to Shirley.

Only Whitney can hold a candle to Shirley.
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:20
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Where is Shirley Bassey on the list i'm sure she's over 100 million sales. And Mariah's voice is crap compared to Shirley.

Only Whitney can hold a candle to Shirley.
Whitney was mainly known for nicking Dolly Parton's song, where is Dolly on the list ?
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:26
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It's quite a feat to remember which note she started bawling before she mangled it with several others.
This is so funny and it's also in the wrong key so she zooms up a descant and screeches even louder.
Poor old Oh Holy Night gets murdered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEJmP8T07JU
I blame her for all these young people who think they can sing by attempting vocal acrobatics, scaling every note they can possibly find in every line If you've got a good voice, less is more - there's no need to show off. Practising your scales isn't singing
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:26
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Whitney was mainly known for nicking Dolly Parton's song, where is Dolly on the list ?
Yep pretty much...

I think those who compile the list have a prejudice against huge fun bags!!


Jealous women or small handed men
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:27
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Where is Shirley Bassey on the list i'm sure she's over 100 million sales. And Mariah's voice is crap compared to Shirley.

Only Whitney can hold a candle to Shirley.
I like Shirley but give me Barbra any day. Having said that, to me Ella Fitzgerald is a singer that's never been beaten yet.
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:32
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It's quite a feat to remember which note she started bawling before she mangled it with several others.
This is so funny and it's also in the wrong key so she zooms up a descant and screeches even louder.
Poor old Oh Holy Night gets murdered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEJmP8T07JU
....you're not wrong there,...she should be up in court for that !
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:32
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Why are all these warbling women being mentioned on a Beatles thread??
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:32
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I like Shirley but give me Barbra any day. Having said that, to me Ella Fitzgerald is a singer that's never been beaten yet.
Yeah those are great singers also. Did you watch the David Williams interview show with Shirley, itv christmas eve. ? It can't be denied her voice is awesome at nearly 80. I'm someone who can appreciate just about all types of music and genres.

Shirley was a big fan of Ella'a to.
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:36
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I like Shirley but give me Barbra any day. Having said that, to me Ella Fitzgerald is a singer that's never been beaten yet.
just googled her and she's only on a paltry 40m she should have worn a santa hat and hollered a bit more
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:37
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Over rated I say, there were many other great bands around then and just like today, the music industry and playlists for radio are selective
you highlight a misconception , a misunderstanding of how it really was at the time.

the beatles lead the way.... others followed... i know it sounds like hyperbole but just research the facts. thatll tell you why the beatles were the best group ever....and as such cannot be 'overrated' (unless you mean by overrated that you dont like them as much as others groups).
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:39
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Why are all these warbling women being mentioned on a Beatles thread??
it's about are they the best, so you have to mention their competition, and Mariah is a huge contender
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:43
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Why are all these warbling women being mentioned on a Beatles thread??
…perhaps it’s to counter-balance Ringos’ dubious vocal offerings.
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