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Old 27-12-2016, 14:05
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I don't mind Frozen it's an OK film but out of the new Disney films I prefer Tangled.

I'm still surprised Anna hasn't been added to the Disney Princess collection though.
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Old 27-12-2016, 14:45
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I prefer the Lion King but this nonsense that Frozen is only for little girls makes no sense. A billion dollar movie has to be a family pleaser. The latter made a bil. The former did not.
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Old 27-12-2016, 16:56
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But more focus on Elsa means Lion Kng syndrome, i.e. no middle act. I would much rather the alleged structural issues of Frozen than those of Lion King, any day.
The writers, Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck have stated the film will show how Elsa has developed since coming out of isolation. They have also talked about dealing with issues some can identify with sibling relationships.

For me they should reduce the amount of screen character of Anna has, as at times I found her annoying, self centred, bossy boots thinking the world revolved around her. Even in the songs there were more featuring Anna that Elsa.

If they don't they will end up making the Frozen 2 more about Anna, rather and about both her and Elsa. The same as if the make it as Elsa sacrificing herself to save Anna, only to be re-animated.
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Old 27-12-2016, 17:29
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Old 27-12-2016, 17:32
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I never actually liked The Lion King that much. Always thought it was okay.

Frozen is on another level though. Outstanding film.
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Old 27-12-2016, 17:52
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I prefer the Lion King but this nonsense that Frozen is only for little girls makes no sense. A billion dollar movie has to be a family pleaser. The latter made a bil. The former did not.
It's just the usual cliche of men being unwilling to watch and enjoy a film with female protagonists. A film with a male protagonist is seen as gender neutral and for everyone, whereas a film with female protagonists is seen as just for women.
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Old 27-12-2016, 18:00
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I never actually liked The Lion King that much. Always thought it was okay.

Frozen is on another level though. Outstanding film.
I agree. Having watched The Lion King Christmas day for the first time in years, I really realised how unimpressive the film actually is. For one, I just can't work out what the film is actually about, as none of the apparent messages/ storyarcs actually make sense. Plus, it doesn't work as a dramatic structure. It's essentially an epic first act that blows your mind, a few scenes in the middle, then a third act.
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Old 27-12-2016, 18:09
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I watched Lion King during the summer on Channel 4, thought it strange to show it so soon especially on Xmas Day on ITV1.

I first watched Frozen with a 6 year old boy and his little sister 4. Both loved it and kept telling me what was going to happen before it did, as children tend to do. They had the DVD and insisted I watch it with them.
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Old 27-12-2016, 18:17
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I watched Lion King during the summer on Channel 4, thought it strange to show it so soon especially on Xmas Day on ITV1.

I first watched Frozen with a 6 year old boy and his little sister 4. Both loved it and kept telling me what was going to happen before it did, as children tend to do. They had the DVD and insisted I watch it with them.
And you loved it right?
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:26
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I agree. Having watched The Lion King Christmas day for the first time in years, I really realised how unimpressive the film actually is. For one, I just can't work out what the film is actually about, as none of the apparent messages/ storyarcs actually make sense. Plus, it doesn't work as a dramatic structure. It's essentially an epic first act that blows your mind, a few scenes in the middle, then a third act.
I felt the storyline for The Lion King was fairly straight forward. King is killed, son flees thinking he is responsible, joining to other misfits. Son grows to an adult, finds out uncle murdered his father and seeks revenge and redemption. The problem is where did they go from there which if why I feel the sequels flopped because there wasn't a real scope for a what happened next storyline that would be as dramatic.

With a Frozen 2 there is some scope such as explaining how Elsa acquired her powers in the first place and the emotional scars she has from being raised in fear of her own powers. She may know love can reverse her powers but they still can be corrupted and beyond her control as shown in Frozen Fever when she created the Snowgies by accident.
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:47
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It's just the usual cliche of men being unwilling to watch and enjoy a film with female protagonists. A film with a male protagonist is seen as gender neutral and for everyone, whereas a film with female protagonists is seen as just for women.
Nonsense. Hunger Games? Tomb Raider? Brave? Pocahontas?

It's not female protagonists that are the problem, it's the fact Frozen is just a princess film. You can have films with female protagonists that aren't princesses. I wouldn't expect boys or men to enjoy a princess film any more than I would girls to enjoy The Expendables.
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:49
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I prefer the Lion King but this nonsense that Frozen is only for little girls makes no sense. A billion dollar movie has to be a family pleaser. The latter made a bil. The former did not.
The Lion King was the second highest grossing movie of all-time when it was released. It didn't make a billion because it was released in 1994 - adjusted for inflation it easily outperformed Frozen.
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:36
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Nonsense. Hunger Games? Tomb Raider? Brave? Pocahontas?

It's not female protagonists that are the problem, it's the fact Frozen is just a princess film. You can have films with female protagonists that aren't princesses. I wouldn't expect boys or men to enjoy a princess film any more than I would girls to enjoy The Expendables.
The only two problems with that are that Frozen isn't a "princess film", it's a film that features a character who happens to be a princess, and girls do enjoy The Expendables. They're in the bloody pubs now too.
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Old 31-12-2016, 16:49
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The only two problems with that are that Frozen isn't a "princess film", it's a film that features a character who happens to be a princess.
Of course Frozen is a Princess film (two of them in fact). Even when Elsa runs away she ends up creating her own palace out of ice.
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Old 01-01-2017, 00:16
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Of course Frozen is a Princess film (two of them in fact). Even when Elsa runs away she ends up creating her own palace out of ice.
They are princesses, it's true, but the film isn't about them being princesses. A "princess film" is a much simpler idea than what's at the heart of Frozen. Elsa and Ana being princesses is a plot convenience; it's something to hang the story on. It also helps in appealing to the traditional Disney audience but there is much more to it than that.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:36
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Blimey. Grown adults arguing the toss over two children's films? And they wonder why Trump won.

btw - dull familial issues vs. lesbian subtext. Bit of a no-brainer really.
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:15
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They are princesses, it's true, but the film isn't about them being princesses. A "princess film" is a much simpler idea than what's at the heart of Frozen. Elsa and Ana being princesses is a plot convenience; it's something to hang the story on. It also helps in appealing to the traditional Disney audience but there is much more to it than that.
You do realise that Frozen is based on The Snow Queen? It definitely fits in the same genre as the likes of Snow White and Cinderella. It only seems different because it's from a different era.
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Old 02-01-2017, 22:03
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Blimey. Grown adults arguing the toss over two children's films? And they wonder why Trump won.

btw - dull familial issues vs. lesbian subtext. Bit of a no-brainer really.
Um, no.
Let's not go there. I've seen this tumblr nonsense regarding Elsa before and it's so forced and cringey.
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Old 02-01-2017, 22:06
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The Lion King was the second highest grossing movie of all-time when it was released. It didn't make a billion because it was released in 1994 - adjusted for inflation it easily outperformed Frozen.
My point still stands. Even today, a billion dollar movie needs to appeal too a mass audience. If you look at the top 10 highest grossing movies in today's financial climate you will see they each have a unique formula that gives them mass appeal.
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Old 03-01-2017, 23:47
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Saw Frozen a few years ago cos a female friend made me watch it and was like naaaaaa

Lion King is such a better film. It's already stood the test of time. See where Frozen is in 20 years.
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Old 04-01-2017, 12:32
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Um, no.
Let's not go there. I've seen this tumblr nonsense regarding Elsa before and it's so forced and cringey.
Yes, I know. But a man can dream, can't he?

My point still stands. Even today, a billion dollar movie needs to appeal too a mass audience. If you look at the top 10 highest grossing movies in today's financial climate you will see they each have a unique formula that gives them mass appeal.
True, but among that mass appeal (or four quadrant - male/female/young/old) there still maybe a majority demo or gender. A film that appeals with genuine equality probably doesn't come along too often.
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Old 04-01-2017, 12:43
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I prefer the Lion King but this nonsense that Frozen is only for little girls makes no sense. A billion dollar movie has to be a family pleaser. The latter made a bil. The former did not.
But in adjusted dollars, won't The Lion King surpass Frozen by some margin?
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