https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eu-citizens-uk

And no, it seems like the skills gap will not be overcome by employing Brexiters ...

Maybe they could try training staff on the job rather than just importing trained staff. But that would cost them money so they won't want to do that.

Wrong spin there, it should be 'omg cost to business because of brexit etc'

Oops sorry, didn't have my PR hat on. Will do better next time


Merry Christmas.

Does that mean Brexit is going to bring more commercial success?

There will be plenty of jobs in monitoring 3million or so EU migrants here. All at minimum wage obviously. The BTL comments on that article are quite sad. The Guardian is lying. The Irish are lying. Germany is a Muslim or Arabic state. (Eh?)

Not one Brexit supporter seems to think there is any risk at all of jobs going. Or that if jobs go they don't really matter.

Are you The Engineer in disguise, are you the engineer in disguise....... la,la,la......

just clicked on the link and got this message.


So is there a 'No scaremongering on Xmas day' rule at the Guardian

I did wonder

Anyway after this thread chuckle, back to wine and mince pies

More tidings of comfort and joy from Bremoaners, I assume The Engineer is indisposed.

Now where is that handle for the drawbridge.

Funny how a country of over 60 million people doesn't have enough skilled people of its own.

Higher wages then as they compete for workers.

Perhaps if the University Degrees that were obtained by students taking them were more in keeping with what employers require rather than some pointless waste-of-time degree in some obscure subject of little use to anyone, there would be suitable candidates to fill the vacancies in the jobs market.

A degree in Greek Art is of little use to an employer who wants an engineer.

We have thousands with degrees in social media to fill any job vacancies that may arise 20x over.

That is what I am thinking too.

LOL

https://www.theguardian.com/info/201...broken-embargo

You are even more befuddled than usual.

it means that the education system is in such a state in the UK that the skills shortages will not be compensated for by unwilling or unable locals.

Employers consistenty state that what they look for, amongst applicants, is education.

Now the fact is young foreigners are better educated than their UK peers. They speak in grammatical English and have pursued studies for longer.

Whether you think that a degree in astrophysics is irrelevant for fruit-picking is neither here nor there. Employers decide and they prefer educated people. Fact. And that is all the more true for skilled jobs.

You may think that but the fact is, employers disagree.

For a job in fruit-picking, employers will go for the degree-educated person , given a choice. Tough eh ?

Moreover the tuition fees here, as compared to those in Germany or France or ... Romania (gasp) mean that we in the UK are at an automatic , systemic disadvantage. And Brexit won't change that.

Ahem, it was a question to which you have given some sort of answer. Now if you want to blame a lack of education, look no further than the period 1964 - 1970.

Yeah, we should raise university tuition fees to encourage people to develop skills.

But what use is a degree to someone on a farm picking fruit/veg? muscles and ability to go on for long hours surely are more important than having a first class degree from some Polish uni.

pre-accession then eh.

Do you want me to list the endless advantages that remaining in the EU offers , education-wise ? I benefitted from Erasmus (which your man opposes) myself so I know!

No, No, No as that means you have to pay them a decent wage and heaven forbid maybe even some sort of pension. Much better to employ them from Poland on £10 an hour and then explain to the existing staff on £15 an hour why they need to take a pay cut to bring them in line with the newbie £10 an hour staff. That's how it works, even the IoD said it feared wage rises would be a negative consequence of a Brexit vote.

As for the IoD main concern the point of a controlled immigration system is you can fast track people who meet certain labour market shortages. Its what the Aussies do with UK Nurses, Police, Doctors etc if a visa application is sponsored by a relevant company or authority its practically approved the same day. James Dyson listed that as one reason he voted Leave because his company struggled to get graduate engineers from outside the EU due to immigration controls yet there was no limit on the numbers of unskilled workers coming from within the EU. The restrictions that often placed on workers from outside the EU are often mind boggling.

As 52% of voters chose Brexit, that's over 17 million suffering a shortage of some sort.

[quote=tahiti;84964070]pre-accession then eh.

Yes, that's when it started and it's still going.



Do you want me to list the endless advantages that remaining in the EU offers , education-wise ?

No!

I benefitted from Erasmus (which your man opposes) myself so I know!

I don't see any benefit you've derived from education

Four in 10 British businesses fear post-Brexit skills shortages = Four in 10 British businesses fear hiring british workers