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Old 25-12-2016, 10:14
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Almost half of UK business leaders are worried about post-Brexit skills shortages and fear they will not find enough suitable staff in 2017, according to a survey by one of the UK’s leading business organisations.

The polling by the Institute of Directors found overall levels of confidence higher than in the immediate aftermath of the Brexit vote, but nonetheless found four in 10 businesses worried about a lack of skills.

The findings, and comments by IoD leaders demanding an end to uncertainty over the future of EU citizens resident in this country, will add to pressure on Theresa May to bring forward a decision on the status of those citizens.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eu-citizens-uk

And no, it seems like the skills gap will not be overcome by employing Brexiters ...
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Old 25-12-2016, 10:27
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Maybe they could try training staff on the job rather than just importing trained staff. But that would cost them money so they won't want to do that.
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Old 25-12-2016, 10:32
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Maybe they could try training staff on the job rather than just importing trained staff. But that would cost them money so they won't want to do that.
Wrong spin there, it should be 'omg cost to business because of brexit etc'
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Old 25-12-2016, 10:40
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Wrong spin there, it should be 'omg cost to business because of brexit etc'
Oops sorry, didn't have my PR hat on. Will do better next time


Merry Christmas.
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Old 25-12-2016, 10:43
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eu-citizens-uk

And no, it seems like the skills gap will not be overcome by employing Brexiters ...
Does that mean Brexit is going to bring more commercial success?
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Old 25-12-2016, 10:58
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Does that mean Brexit is going to bring more commercial success?
There will be plenty of jobs in monitoring 3million or so EU migrants here. All at minimum wage obviously. The BTL comments on that article are quite sad. The Guardian is lying. The Irish are lying. Germany is a Muslim or Arabic state. (Eh?)

Not one Brexit supporter seems to think there is any risk at all of jobs going. Or that if jobs go they don't really matter.
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Old 25-12-2016, 11:51
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Old 25-12-2016, 11:58
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just clicked on the link and got this message.

This article was taken down on 25 December 2016 due to it having broken an embargo. The article will be republished at 00.01 on 26 December.
So is there a 'No scaremongering on Xmas day' rule at the Guardian
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Old 25-12-2016, 12:01
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Are you The Engineer in disguise, are you the engineer in disguise....... la,la,la......
I did wonder

Anyway after this thread chuckle, back to wine and mince pies
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Old 25-12-2016, 12:03
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More tidings of comfort and joy from Bremoaners, I assume The Engineer is indisposed.

Now where is that handle for the drawbridge.
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Old 25-12-2016, 12:11
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Funny how a country of over 60 million people doesn't have enough skilled people of its own.
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Old 25-12-2016, 12:21
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Higher wages then as they compete for workers.
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Old 25-12-2016, 12:29
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Perhaps if the University Degrees that were obtained by students taking them were more in keeping with what employers require rather than some pointless waste-of-time degree in some obscure subject of little use to anyone, there would be suitable candidates to fill the vacancies in the jobs market.

A degree in Greek Art is of little use to an employer who wants an engineer.

We have thousands with degrees in social media to fill any job vacancies that may arise 20x over.
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Old 25-12-2016, 12:30
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That is what I am thinking too.
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Old 25-12-2016, 12:31
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just clicked on the link and got this message.



So is there a 'No scaremongering on Xmas day' rule at the Guardian

LOL

https://www.theguardian.com/info/201...broken-embargo
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Old 25-12-2016, 12:47
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Does that mean Brexit is going to bring more commercial success?
You are even more befuddled than usual.

it means that the education system is in such a state in the UK that the skills shortages will not be compensated for by unwilling or unable locals.

Employers consistenty state that what they look for, amongst applicants, is education.

Now the fact is young foreigners are better educated than their UK peers. They speak in grammatical English and have pursued studies for longer.

Whether you think that a degree in astrophysics is irrelevant for fruit-picking is neither here nor there. Employers decide and they prefer educated people. Fact. And that is all the more true for skilled jobs.
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Old 25-12-2016, 12:57
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A degree in Greek Art is of little use to an employer who wants an engineer.
You may think that but the fact is, employers disagree.

For a job in fruit-picking, employers will go for the degree-educated person , given a choice. Tough eh ?

Moreover the tuition fees here, as compared to those in Germany or France or ... Romania (gasp) mean that we in the UK are at an automatic , systemic disadvantage. And Brexit won't change that.
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Old 25-12-2016, 12:58
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You are even more befuddled than usual.

it means that the education system is in such a state in the UK that the skills shortages will not be compensated for by unwilling or unable locals.

Employers consistenty state that what they look for, amongst applicants, is education.

Now the fact is young foreigners are better educated than their UK peers. They speak in grammatical English and have pursued studies for longer.

Whether you think that a degree in astrophysics is irrelevant for fruit-picking is neither here nor there. Employers decide and they prefer educated people. Fact. And that is all the more true for skilled jobs.
Ahem, it was a question to which you have given some sort of answer. Now if you want to blame a lack of education, look no further than the period 1964 - 1970.
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Old 25-12-2016, 13:00
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Funny how a country of over 60 million people doesn't have enough skilled people of its own.
Yeah, we should raise university tuition fees to encourage people to develop skills.
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Old 25-12-2016, 13:02
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You may think that but the fact is, employers disagree.

For a job in fruit-picking, employers will go for the degree-educated person , given a choice. Tough eh ?

Moreover the tuition fees here, as compared to those in Germany or France or ... Romania (gasp) mean that we in the UK are at an automatic , systemic disadvantage. And Brexit won't change that.
But what use is a degree to someone on a farm picking fruit/veg? muscles and ability to go on for long hours surely are more important than having a first class degree from some Polish uni.
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Old 25-12-2016, 13:07
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Ahem, it was a question to which you have given some sort of answer. Now if you want to blame a lack of education, look no further than the period 1964 - 1970.
pre-accession then eh.

Do you want me to list the endless advantages that remaining in the EU offers , education-wise ? I benefitted from Erasmus (which your man opposes) myself so I know!
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Old 25-12-2016, 13:10
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Maybe they could try training staff on the job rather than just importing trained staff. But that would cost them money so they won't want to do that.
No, No, No as that means you have to pay them a decent wage and heaven forbid maybe even some sort of pension. Much better to employ them from Poland on £10 an hour and then explain to the existing staff on £15 an hour why they need to take a pay cut to bring them in line with the newbie £10 an hour staff. That's how it works, even the IoD said it feared wage rises would be a negative consequence of a Brexit vote.

As for the IoD main concern the point of a controlled immigration system is you can fast track people who meet certain labour market shortages. Its what the Aussies do with UK Nurses, Police, Doctors etc if a visa application is sponsored by a relevant company or authority its practically approved the same day. James Dyson listed that as one reason he voted Leave because his company struggled to get graduate engineers from outside the EU due to immigration controls yet there was no limit on the numbers of unskilled workers coming from within the EU. The restrictions that often placed on workers from outside the EU are often mind boggling.
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Old 25-12-2016, 13:15
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Funny how a country of over 60 million people doesn't have enough skilled people of its own.
As 52% of voters chose Brexit, that's over 17 million suffering a shortage of some sort.
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Old 25-12-2016, 13:15
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[quote=tahiti;84964070]pre-accession then eh.

Yes, that's when it started and it's still going.



Do you want me to list the endless advantages that remaining in the EU offers , education-wise ?

No!

I benefitted from Erasmus (which your man opposes) myself so I know!

I don't see any benefit you've derived from education
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Old 25-12-2016, 13:20
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Four in 10 British businesses fear post-Brexit skills shortages = Four in 10 British businesses fear hiring british workers
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