Had you been drinking when you wrote that? None of it made any sense at all.

the economy corrects itself and doesnt any need any kind of government interference.

and if you are self employed perhaps you need start relying on your "self" , because this is what self employment is all about.

The economy doesn't correct itself. Thinking it does is a mistake of assuming that a mathematical model matches reality. The main reason it doesn't is because the model assumes free markets, which never actually exist. There is always some form of regulation, intervention or just downright dishonesty going on in any particular market.

Even flawed markets tend to do better than other attempts at providing goods and services though, but that doesn't mean that there's any equivalent of a physical law that says this will always be true.

Skills shortages = fair pay rates, fair working hours and conditions of work and the end of 'zero-hours' contracts.

dont get your hopes up though.

once immigration from the EU comes to a halt, big business will make moves to accelerate mass immigration from third world nations outside the EU.

But we will have control of such things and we will not have to ask Germany's permission before we change immigration policy.

"We" won't have any more control. All decision will be entirely down to internal politics in the Conservative Party. You or I won't have any say in the matter at all.

"we" already have control of non-EU immigration.

You don't appear to have heard of the term "consensus", as you think that even for EU matters, we have to "ask" Germany for "permission".

How will paying people more to work in Sports Direct warehouses help with the skills shortage?

In healthcare there is an increasing shortage of qualified nurses. Wages are going down in real terms, as are job conditions on the whole.

I think it's very productive indeed.

"Do you think you're overqualified for... [picking fruit]?" I always wondered why should that matter to the employer, but of course it matters because in the past those overqualified individuals had options to move on to better things and so the employer had to weigh up the pro's of having a well educated work force to pick fruit and the cons of having less dedicated fruit pickers who constantly seek and obtain better paid work.

The dynamics of the labour market guided the resolution of the dilemma so what we saw in the past was employers ensuring employees had the most relevant skills for [picking fruit] and that they could see that person sticking around a while. But specifying an employee should have communication skills at degree level standard or some other indirectly related asset, was a luxury, labour market conditions didn't allow.

Whilst looking for unskilled jobs, being highly skilled or educated attached a negative value to your cv because you had the choices, the employer had few. If the dynamics changed, if overqualified workers we're less able to find better work perhaps due to saturation of the labour market you can see how business is presented with a win win scenario - Overqualified workers for the price of qualified workers.

This is what the agricultural businesses are worried about when they say they'l be a labour shortage if we reduce immigration. They want the best workers from anywhere and everywhere to aid productivity but to pay the lowest wage. They'l be no shortage, just a new reality of more choice to workers, it may break them.

Self employment is the Tory, Great Rock'n'Dole Swindle. Off the unemployment list, but receiving the same amount of money, no minimum wage, no sick pay, no holiday pay. It's a Tory wet dream.

People keep saying that the skilled jobs will have shortages, but the overseas workers will likely stay on, as more relaxed visas for skilled workers, will make it easy for such workers to keep on working in the UK. It's the unskilled workers, who will get targeted the most. Not saying there won't be a shortage, but a minimal shortage due to some leaving the UK. However, this creates opportunity for British workers, as companies will have to train someone up to fill the role.


If less nurses become available, hospitals will have to give better conditions and wages, to either keep staff on or attract nurses working somewhere else. It makes the market competitive.

Businesses need to remember how to train up school-leavers to do jobs instead of relying on immigrants and graduates who have had to pay to be trained instead of being paid to train as always used to be the case.

The good news is that major companies are taking apprenticeships more seriously now than the have for many years

Here are some examples of non-graduate apprenticeships:
http://uk.gsk.com/en-gb/careers/apprenticeships/
https://www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/page...ip-scheme.html
http://careers.rolls-royce.co.uk/uni...hool-leavers#/
http://www.hsbc.com/careers/students...apprenticeship
http://www.networkrail.co.uk/careers...ceship-scheme/

However, these schemes are very competitive to get on to and the ones with the best employers often have higher entry standards than many University courses.

You want me to answer a question which hasn't actually ever applied in the real world (ever).... and, "Because that's the sort of people we're looking at here.". Is it?... I thought we were talking about skilled people, for skilled jobs. You know, people with fair education results who can be trained on the job and can and do become successful. Not a made up scenario based on the extremes (barely literate drongo to be trained to become a doctor?... grow up). Now ask me a sensible question and address your own question with what you think should happen with those you describe (and I have coined drongos) who in the reality of the real world will not be trained to be doctors and the like (assuming you can leave your strange minds world for a second that is).

Why are people leaving school barely literate? That would seem to be the problem here.

Truly skilled workers aren't the ones who will have a problem. They'll find a job regardless, and if that's not in the UK, other countries will throw visas at them to come over and work there. That may also discourage foreign talent coming to the UK, since this government is determined to make life ever more difficult for anyone who is here on a student or work visa.

For those who actually have a bit of a brain and can string a sentence together, many companies already do look for them with apprenticeships and entry level jobs.

It'll be the dregs who have an issue, hence my pertinent example. But I'm sure we'll use them to fill the impending shortages in the NHS!

Apparently it's the governments fault and post Brexit we may have to consider how to train them to be doctors and the like.

BIB: You don't agree with the article then? Least that's established I suppose and expecting or suggesting a 'dreg' is trained to be doctors and the like is very far away from pertinent and you know that.

Such companies want a surplus of available labour such as we have because of the EU, as this allows them to force British workers to accept unfair conditions and unfair rates of pay.

I'm not sure what I have said that makes you believe that I disagree with the article.

The truly skilled will go where the money is. That includes a potential brain drain from the UK as people don't want to live in the divisive, backwards society that this country is rapidly heading towards. We're compounding the issue by putting up barriers for people to come over and fill the gap. That includes what we do to non-EU immigrants today.

Like I said in my original post in this thread, my employer already finds it a challenge to recruit good people - and that's with the benefit of being able to consider people from any EU country. Take that away (by making it difficult through visas and immigration bollox) and that reduces the pool further. This year they've had to lower the bar to entry even in their graduate programme (you can be considered with a measly 2:2) because they're getting rather desperate.

A very good question. They've had tens of thousands of pounds of taxpayers money spent on them from the ages of 5-16. Schools have better facilities than they ever had before (I remember the leaking roofs and portacabins with no heating in the 70s) and teachers are better trained than their predecessors. Yet despite tens of billions being spent in the last 30 years, education standards of some 16 year olds have hardly risen at all.

We have not been able to have the the best and brightest coming from India for example because Germany has decided we must take all the EU workers that want to come here. This is regardless of their criminal history, skills level, ability to speak English etc.

You see moox, I was replying to your reply to me, not your initial post you have now moved on to instead of actually addresing my points in reply. How about you admit your scenario in your reply to me is utter BS and perhaps I will take your other posts seriously and reply in kind if they didn't contain the nonsense and rudeness you have littered this thread with (also undeniable as in the example above I have repeated for your post/quote, or "Brexidiots" etc... or similar comment, can't be arsed to read back and check exactly.... you keep typing shite, i'll keep ignoring it and not give a shite).