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We have not been able to have the the best and brightest coming from India for example because Germany has decided we must take all the EU workers that want to come here. This is regardless of their criminal history, skills level, ability to speak English etc.
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The only BS in this thread is coming from people who think that we're going to move back to the 50s, with the mistaken belief that people will be queuing out the door to get into the country. The people who are already here will of course be queuing outside farmhouses to get a chance to pick all that fruit. And, of course, the NHS will be overflowing with British born medical staff.
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You want me to answer a question which hasn't actually ever applied in the real world (ever).... and, "Because that's the sort of people we're looking at here.". Is it?... I thought we were talking about skilled people, for skilled jobs. You know, people with fair education results who can be trained on the job and can and do become successful. Not a made up scenario based on the extremes (barely literate drongo to be trained to become a doctor?... grow up). Now ask me a sensible question and address your own question with what you think should happen with those you describe (and I have coined drongos) who in the reality of the real world will not be trained to be doctors and the like (assuming you can leave your strange minds world for a second that is).
Replaced by automaton, a burden on the "striver's", only a mother could love such a drongo. ![]() They better start voting smart. The Anti establishment quota of the Brexit vote was a good start but now they need to find a party that will genuinely bring everyone together and not divide the strong from the weak. They better start voting. |
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The only BS in this thread is coming from people who think that we're going to move back to the 50s, with the mistaken belief that people will be queuing out the door to get into the country. The people who are already here will of course be queuing outside farmhouses to get a chance to pick all that fruit. And, of course, the NHS will be overflowing with British born medical staff.
I have to wonder: if you're ignoring what I say, why are you replying to me? |
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Will Brexit mean a complete end to all immigration from Europe? I didn't realise that.
The country is becoming very toxic for anyone who looks or acts differently anyway - remember all those cases of people being insulted or assulted because they were not British, after the referendum? The actual racists think that their views are accepted and legal! |
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I'm not sure what I have said that makes you believe that I disagree with the article.
The truly skilled will go where the money is. That includes a potential brain drain from the UK as people don't want to live in the divisive, backwards society that this country is rapidly heading towards. We're compounding the issue by putting up barriers for people to come over and fill the gap. That includes what we do to non-EU immigrants today. Like I said in my original post in this thread, my employer already finds it a challenge to recruit good people - and that's with the benefit of being able to consider people from any EU country. Take that away (by making it difficult through visas and immigration bollox) and that reduces the pool further. This year they've had to lower the bar to entry even in their graduate programme (you can be considered with a measly 2:2) because they're getting rather desperate. In any case, for highly skilled people, they go where the jobs are, and the UK is creating jobs. None of the other EU countries are creating as many jobs as the UK. Besides, being in the EU, doesn't prevent people going to places outside the EU for jobs such as Canada, who are creating a ton of jobs. Of course China is also creating many jobs, but many won't go there due to language barriers. You state that it's hard to find people, but how many are apply for the positions. They could be getting hundreds and hundreds of applications, but they aren't employing any of them. If you keep ruling people out, without giving them a chance, then you'd never employ anyone. Having a huge talent pool and only picking one out of a couple hundred or more applicants, isn't what I want society to be; and you talk about barriers, divisive and backwards society. I rather reduce the numbers, so that more people can be given an opportunity. |
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Brexit is going to make the UK a much less popular destination. You might cheer that on because it means fewer fruit pickers, but it also means fewer highly skilled, highly paid people. They just aren't going to jump through hoops to come here. Not when they can go anywhere on the mainland, or to Ireland, with minimal fuss.
The country is becoming very toxic for anyone who looks or acts differently anyway - remember all those cases of people being insulted or assulted because they were not British, after the referendum? The actual racists think that their views are accepted and legal! |
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eu-citizens-uk
And no, it seems like the skills gap will not be overcome by employing Brexiters ... Skills shotages have nothing to do with Brexit, it is a sympton of gross negligence on how the country has been managed by each and every government for almost 4 decades. |
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Brexit is going to make the UK a much less popular destination. You might cheer that on because it means fewer fruit pickers, but it also means fewer highly skilled, highly paid people. They just aren't going to jump through hoops to come here. Not when they can go anywhere on the mainland, or to Ireland, with minimal fuss.
The country is becoming very toxic for anyone who looks or acts differently anyway - remember all those cases of people being insulted or assulted because they were not British, after the referendum? The actual racists think that their views are accepted and legal! http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/t...crime-scandal/ |
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You'd still have to apply for visas to work in such countries and get sponsored, so how would it be any different to having to apply for a UK visa system?
Go down to the next level of jobs - graduates who may be University lecturers, biotech researchers or software developers then why bother going through the time, cost and hassle of getting a UK visa when you could start working in Ireland, Netherlands or Germany immediately? All of them have as good, if not better, public services than the UK. Below them do you really think fruit pickers are going to pay for a visa? A more restrictive visa system also makes the UK less attractive for businesses when deciding where to open a new site. If you are GSK, Microsoft or Siemens then one of the factors determining location is access to the best possible workforce at the lowest cost. |
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It depend on the type of job. At the top end - CEOs, surgeons and city bankers then of course a visa wouldn't put them off as it would just be waved through by the authorities.
Go down to the next level of jobs - graduates who may be University lecturers, biotech researchers or software developers then why bother going through the time, cost and hassle of getting a UK visa when you could start working in Ireland, Netherlands or Germany immediately? All of them have as good, if not better, public services than the UK. Below them do you really think fruit pickers are going to pay for a visa? Quote:
A more restrictive visa system also makes the UK less attractive for businesses when deciding where to open a new site. If you are GSK, Microsoft or Siemens then one of the factors determining location is access to the best possible workforce at the lowest cost.
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Brexit is going to make the UK a much less popular destination. You might cheer that on because it means fewer fruit pickers, but it also means fewer highly skilled, highly paid people. They just aren't going to jump through hoops to come here. Not when they can go anywhere on the mainland, or to Ireland, with minimal fuss.
The country is becoming very toxic for anyone who looks or acts differently anyway - remember all those cases of people being insulted or assulted because they were not British, after the referendum? The actual racists think that their views are accepted and legal! I cannot say I can remember any proven attacks on EU immigrants but that may be due to your hope of a self-fulfilling prophesy but I can recall the robberies and murders etc . that have been experienced by us and inflicted by some EU nationals and that are a frequent news item. |
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Funny how a country of over 60 million people doesn't have enough skilled people of its own.
Until we catch up with Asia in education, and now that employment interest from Europe has dropped off, we will have to continue filling the gaps with skilled people from places like India, Pakistan, Iran, China, etc. |
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It's not funny, it's quite serious. We have screwed up our own education system. Maths and sciences are where the big skills shortages exist in industry and yet we are still failing to channel young people through these subjects up to degree level.
Until we catch up with Asia in education, and now that employment interest from Europe has dropped off, we will have to continue filling the gaps with skilled people from places like India, Pakistan, Iran, China, etc. |
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we dont have to because all the industry needs to do is pay our citizens to acquire these skills, this is a muhc better alternative in the long term for britain.
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