The only BS in this thread is coming from people who think that we're going to move back to the 50s, with the mistaken belief that people will be queuing out the door to get into the country. The people who are already here will of course be queuing outside farmhouses to get a chance to pick all that fruit. And, of course, the NHS will be overflowing with British born medical staff.

I have to wonder: if you're ignoring what I say, why are you replying to me?

If someone from India really was one of the "best and brightest" then they would have no problem getting a work visa. There are tens of thousands of Indian IT workers in the UK on short term contracts and I can tell you that they aren't always the best and brightest.

Will Brexit mean a complete end to all immigration from Europe? I didn't realise that.

No place for the drongo's. The hope is they're too thick to react in time to change their fate.

Replaced by automaton, a burden on the "striver's", only a mother could love such a drongo.

They better start voting smart. The Anti establishment quota of the Brexit vote was a good start but now they need to find a party that will genuinely bring everyone together and not divide the strong from the weak. They better start voting.

BIB: Only you have typed that and made that analogy (a couple of times now). You keep wondering and while you do so point out where I said I was ignoring what you say (content not posts). I can only make the comments made by reading what you say. Try again.

Brexit is going to make the UK a much less popular destination. You might cheer that on because it means fewer fruit pickers, but it also means fewer highly skilled, highly paid people. They just aren't going to jump through hoops to come here. Not when they can go anywhere on the mainland, or to Ireland, with minimal fuss.

The country is becoming very toxic for anyone who looks or acts differently anyway - remember all those cases of people being insulted or assulted because they were not British, after the referendum? The actual racists think that their views are accepted and legal!

This is nonsense, as not everywhere in the world offers better pay and infrastructure than the UK. The UK still has some of the best schools, hospitals, city life, police, transportation and etc. in the world. Elsewhere in the world, the majority of things are private and you'd be paying quite a bit, which cancels out most of the salary increase. You'd still have to apply for visas to work in such countries and get sponsored, so how would it be any different to having to apply for a UK visa system?

In any case, for highly skilled people, they go where the jobs are, and the UK is creating jobs. None of the other EU countries are creating as many jobs as the UK. Besides, being in the EU, doesn't prevent people going to places outside the EU for jobs such as Canada, who are creating a ton of jobs. Of course China is also creating many jobs, but many won't go there due to language barriers.

You state that it's hard to find people, but how many are apply for the positions. They could be getting hundreds and hundreds of applications, but they aren't employing any of them. If you keep ruling people out, without giving them a chance, then you'd never employ anyone. Having a huge talent pool and only picking one out of a couple hundred or more applicants, isn't what I want society to be; and you talk about barriers, divisive and backwards society. I rather reduce the numbers, so that more people can be given an opportunity.

It's getting toxic for Drongo's i'll tell you that.

The skills gap has existed for decades with under investment and lack of training in sectors that we need especially the health sector GP's, Hospitals and social care. These gaps for decades before even Brexit was an issue were filled with people from overseas the majority of which were grossly underpaid for the work and responsibility they undertook. Since the late 70's and early 80's principally under conservative governments investment in manufacturing came to a standstill and Britain became a financial services industry centred in London and the South East making the country unbalanced. New Labour or rather Blue Labour abandoned apprenticeships and vocational education filling our universities further widening the skills gap in key areas.

Skills shotages have nothing to do with Brexit, it is a sympton of gross negligence on how the country has been managed by each and every government for almost 4 decades.

BIB: Read and then fact check the article's content:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/t...crime-scandal/

It depend on the type of job. At the top end - CEOs, surgeons and city bankers then of course a visa wouldn't put them off as it would just be waved through by the authorities.

Go down to the next level of jobs - graduates who may be University lecturers, biotech researchers or software developers then why bother going through the time, cost and hassle of getting a UK visa when you could start working in Ireland, Netherlands or Germany immediately? All of them have as good, if not better, public services than the UK. Below them do you really think fruit pickers are going to pay for a visa?

A more restrictive visa system also makes the UK less attractive for businesses when deciding where to open a new site. If you are GSK, Microsoft or Siemens then one of the factors determining location is access to the best possible workforce at the lowest cost.

There are far more companies in said fields in the UK, compared to Ireland and Netherlands, not sure about Germany. However, the UK is expanding with more job creation, so people would go to the trouble of getting a visa, to work there. There's also industry that doesn't even exist, or at a much lower level in EU countries than the UK, so in order to work in them industries, they have to come here. Certain areas of expertise in the UK, is far more developed than all the EU.

You have to consider, the tax breaks that the UK offers is better than the majority of EU countries and even better than most countries across the world, that's why it's better to do business here. In any case, the companies mentioned could just easily open an office outside the EU, which they have done, and being in the EU doesn't stop that from happening.

Fruit picking used to be a great way for British students to earn cash during the year to help pay for studies but that work is not available anymore. Unfortunately the vast majority of them coming here are in unskilled jobs below the tax threshold meaning British taxpayers have to subsidise big business by providing them with housing, healthcare and education for their children. They have driven down wages and conditions for British workers which is not fair.

I cannot say I can remember any proven attacks on EU immigrants but that may be due to your hope of a self-fulfilling prophesy but I can recall the robberies and murders etc . that have been experienced by us and inflicted by some EU nationals and that are a frequent news item.

It's not funny, it's quite serious. We have screwed up our own education system. Maths and sciences are where the big skills shortages exist in industry and yet we are still failing to channel young people through these subjects up to degree level.
Until we catch up with Asia in education, and now that employment interest from Europe has dropped off, we will have to continue filling the gaps with skilled people from places like India, Pakistan, Iran, China, etc.

we dont have to because all the industry needs to do is pay our citizens to acquire these skills, this is a muhc better alternative in the long term for britain.

The more likely alternative is that they'll move the work abroad if they can't move the people here. The people who run companies want the cheapest and quickest solution. They don't give a stuff about what's best for the UK.