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I'm well aware of the transubstantiation issue.
Still stupid to exclude people from communion imo. As for the papists looking sheepish, what makes you think that they know their religion well enough? Many (as in any denomination) are cultural or heritage catholics only and don't believe the dogma or theology. Or do you think every single roman catholic shuns contraceptives? I don't think its asking too much for people outside the Catholic Church to respect that either, especially Anglicans who believe an awful lot of ridiculous things themselves, virgin births and resurrecting the dead, etc. |
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They clearly didn't know their religion well enough or they would have looked totally non-sheepish, whatever their opinions on transubstantiation or contraception. Lay Catholics might not believe all that, but you don't seriously expect the Catholic hierarchy to start behaving like a lá carte Catholics too, do you? The priest does take the supernatural aspect of communion seriously, so from his point of view its not stupid at all to exclude those who haven't received the sacrament of baptism and haven't been to confession.
I don't think its asking too much for people outside the Catholic Church to respect that either, especially Anglicans who believe an awful lot of ridiculous things themselves, virgin births and resurrecting the dead, etc. And very few Catholics follow all the rules of the Catholic Church, with many not believing in any of it. The sex scandal concerning priests, a few years ago, alienated a lot of people. Times have moved on, people get divorced, use contraception, have abortions etc. The Church needs to move with the times. Nuns and priests are a dwindling breed. Our local parish in my home town now has an American priest due to no one else being available. The priest in the hospital where I work is Filipino. We need to import our priests from abroad nowadays due to the home grown skills shortage. As for priests refusing to give communion to non Catholics, I accept their reasons but there is a way of communicating that to the congregation without making people feel excluded and unwanted. |
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They clearly didn't know their religion well enough or they would have looked totally non-sheepish, whatever their opinions on transubstantiation or contraception. Lay Catholics might not believe all that, but you don't seriously expect the Catholic hierarchy to start behaving like a lá carte Catholics too, do you? The priest does take the supernatural aspect of communion seriously, so from his point of view its not stupid at all to exclude those who haven't received the sacrament of baptism and haven't been to confession.
I don't think its asking too much for people outside the Catholic Church to respect that either, especially Anglicans who believe an awful lot of ridiculous things themselves, virgin births and resurrecting the dead, etc. |
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My OH and in-laws are all Belgian Catholics, and at funerals, weddings and so on all the guests are invited to the Mass and to take the communion whatever their religion
Many years ago a friend married a Catholic American serviceman, his brothers were all priests. At the request of his mother a special Mass was held at the wedding ceremony although the bride had not converted The attending American servicemen who were an assortment of Mormons, Protestants et al all took wine and bread It looks as if the protocol as to who can take Mass depends on the priest |
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My OH and in-laws are all Belgian Catholics, and at funerals, weddings and so on all the guests are invited to the Mass and to take the communion whatever their religion
Many years ago a friend married a Catholic American serviceman, his brothers were all priests. At the request of his mother a special Mass was held at the wedding ceremony although the bride had not converted The attending American servicemen who were an assortment of Mormons, Protestants et al all took wine and bread It looks as if the protocol as to who can take Mass depends on the priest |
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I'm pretty certain that very few Anglicans believe that.
And very few Catholics follow all the rules of the Catholic Church, with many not believing in any of it. The sex scandal concerning priests, a few years ago, alienated a lot of people. Times have moved on, people get divorced, use contraception, have abortions etc. The Church needs to move with the times. Nuns and priests are a dwindling breed. Our local parish in my home town now has an American priest due to no one else being available. The priest in the hospital where I work is Filipino. We need to import our priests from abroad nowadays due to the home grown skills shortage. As for priests refusing to give communion to non Catholics, I accept their reasons but there is a way of communicating that to the congregation without making people feel excluded and unwanted. As for the Catholic Church, I couldn't care less whether they move with the times or not, that's up to Catholics. But whatever weird and wonderful things they believe in, it shouldn't be too much to ask in a supposedly tolerant society that people respect their beliefs as long as they're not doing any harm. Frankly, I don't see how it does do any harm for an Anglican to be told he can't receive Catholic communion, so the Anglicans griping about are griping about nothing. They should also learn to take the log out of their own eye before they criticise the splinter in anyone else's. Some priests could probably communicate things a bit better though. |
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My OH and in-laws are all Belgian Catholics, and at funerals, weddings and so on all the guests are invited to the Mass and to take the communion whatever their religion
Many years ago a friend married a Catholic American serviceman, his brothers were all priests. At the request of his mother a special Mass was held at the wedding ceremony although the bride had not converted The attending American servicemen who were an assortment of Mormons, Protestants et al all took wine and bread It looks as if the protocol as to who can take Mass depends on the priest |
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You don't have to be confirmed, you only have to have made your communion.
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You think the Anglican Church doesn't preach that the Virgin Birth and the resurrection of Christ are true? Really?
As for the Catholic Church, I couldn't care less whether they move with the times or not, that's up to Catholics. But whatever weird and wonderful things they believe in, it shouldn't be too much to ask in a supposedly tolerant society that people respect their beliefs as long as they're not doing any harm. Frankly, I don't see how it does do any harm for an Anglican to be told he can't receive Catholic communion, so the Anglicans griping about are griping about nothing. They should also learn to take the log out of their own eye before they criticise the splinter in anyone else's. Some priests could probably communicate things a bit better though. |
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Er....yeah, it depends on whether the priest breaks the rules or not. Those priests did.
St Winifrede's church in Aberystwyth used to offer communion to all in Fresher's week, I remember. Don't know if they still do. |
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I think it's understandable for an anglican to feel at least a little affronted to be rudely told they cannot commune in a catholic church when they have received communion in one before, on numerous occasions.
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My OH and in-laws are all Belgian Catholics, and at funerals, weddings and so on all the guests are invited to the Mass and to take the communion whatever their religion
Many years ago a friend married a Catholic American serviceman, his brothers were all priests. At the request of his mother a special Mass was held at the wedding ceremony although the bride had not converted The attending American servicemen who were an assortment of Mormons, Protestants et al all took wine and bread It looks as if the protocol as to who can take Mass depends on the priest |
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Its against the rules of the Catholic Church for them to receive communion in any Catholic Church. If they came across a priest before who broke the rules, then I can see how it would be confusing, but that's no reason to get grumpy and judgemental about a priest who sticks to their church's teachings. Ridiculous as it may sound to the rest of us, Catholics who believe in all the supernatural aspects of their religion believe they would be doing harm to a Protestant by giving him or her communion.
JOKING!! |
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Do Catholics take the bread and the wine, or do they just receive the bread and the priest drinks the wine
![]() I'm sure I've read the priest finishes the wine. |
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You have to be kidding! Like what? They might want to convert to Catholicism?
JOKING!! |
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Oh it's a lot of codswallop anyway. I just enjoyed seeing the one-upmanship in action.
My bollocks is better than your bollocks etc. Papists vs heretical dissenters grrrr! Crazy catholic's doing crazy stuff. |
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Anyone, including Catholics or Protestants, have the right to belive what they want. In most Masses I have attended, non Catholics are invited to come for a blessing, instead of Communion, or even Catholics who do not take communion ( celiac, divorce etc), so anyone can get a blessing. Of course it is a few years since I last went to a Mass.
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Do Catholics take the bread and the wine, or do they just receive the bread and the priest drinks the wine
![]() I'm sure I've read the priest finishes the wine. |
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I went to midnight communion at my local church last night. I know I should have known that the clue is in the word but I was slightly surprised when they started the bread and wine thing.
I feel slightly embarrassed about doing this as I don't believe. Do other unbelievers take communion? Do any christians think I was wrong to take it? |
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You have to be kidding! Like what? They might want to convert to Catholicism?
JOKING!! |
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No I'm not joking, that's what they believe. That's why people from the Eastern Orthodox churches can take communion in a Catholic church but people from the Anglican faith can't - the Eastern Orthodoxes all believe in transubstantiation. Apparently taking communion when you don't believe in transubstantiation earns you a place on the celestial naughty list! The priests are simply trying not to imperil your immortal souls.
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My Husband isn't Catholic and so when invited to go up front also declines the offer. Unfortunately as I got divorced and re-married without seeking a Church Annulment I've been excommunicated (in the literal sense of the word) so I am also not allowed to attend Communion (when we go to my local Church in France as we don't go here in the UK) so we stand there while all the others go up
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What on earth does that have to do with Christ's simple teachings? The ostentation and divisive nonsense alone which people have invented in his name are a mockery.
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My Husband isn't Catholic and so when invited to go up front also declines the offer. Unfortunately as I got divorced and re-married without seeking a Church Annulment I've been excommunicated (in the literal sense of the word) so I am also not allowed to attend Communion (when we go to my local Church in France as we don't go here in the UK) so we stand there while all the others go up
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How Christian.
Husband is obvious he's a Lutheran after all, but many have known me all my life Unfortunately with just one Church in the village it's difficult to change Churches and no doubt the priest of one talks to the priest of the other |
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Catholics drink the wine (which by then is the blood of Christ) - this is a wild guess but I'm thinking the priest might have to drink any that is left over as he can't throw it away.
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Husband is obvious he's a Lutheran after all, but many have known me all my life