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Old 25-12-2016, 18:42
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"York Minster's bells fell silent on Christmas Day for the first time in more than 600 years after the bell-ringing team was disbanded following a row over the reinstatement of one of their group.

Visitors at the cathedral have been warned to expect a silent Christmas period after the Minster's 30-strong ringing group was sacked in October.

Ringers had refused to accept the decision not to reinstate a member who had been suspended following a police investigation into allegations of sex offences against children, which did not lead to a prosecution.

Another group of campanologists from Leeds were asked to fill the gap but reportedly refused to help out in solidarity with their sacked colleagues."

http://news.sky.com/story/york-minst...years-10707561


Nice to see the spirit of Christmas and Christianity is alive and well in York
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Old 25-12-2016, 18:57
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They weren't rung during WW2
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Old 25-12-2016, 18:57
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someone who rings bells is a bell-ringer, surprisingly, and not a campanologist

tho a campanologist might ring bells, and a bell-ringer might be a campanologist
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:10
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Nice to see the spirit of Christmas and Christianity is alive and well in York
I assume you mean the spirit that includes the protection of the young and vulnerable?
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:12
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Shame.
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:17
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I assume you mean the spirit that includes the protection of the young and vulnerable?
If someone is investigated and not prosecuted or charged should they lose any job they hold ?
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:19
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If someone is investigated and found to be an ongoing risk then yes.
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:33
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If someone is investigated and found to be an ongoing risk then yes.
They investigated in 1999 then reviewed it 15 years later ( at time when there was media hysteria ) and again nothing

And they dismissed the rest who were never accused

http://www.yorkminsterbells.org.uk/?p=529


Following a court hearing in December 2015, the judge decided that no sanction should be imposed. Costs were also awarded against North Yorkshire Police. We are told that this is unusual and typically indicates that the case is so weak as to be tantamount to a waste of the court’s time.


And they did offer to ring the bells

http://www.yorkminsterbells.org.uk/?p=522
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:05
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Bit of an own goal by York Minster.

Paedohysteria strikes again.
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:33
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It's a very strange case where all the other bell ringers support him.

Apparently, York tried to get in bell ringers from Durham, but they refused.
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:45
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Paedohysteria strikes again.
In the absence of the details of the investigations we are in no position to judge.
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Old 25-12-2016, 21:07
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If someone is investigated and not prosecuted or charged should they lose any job they hold ?

Didn't stop Cliff Richard's career
There seem to be people out there prepared to make unsubstantial accusations
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Old 25-12-2016, 22:00
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What i can't figure on this is the time lapse. As he was first investigated in 1999 it's not clear whether he was suspended then, or only in 2014 when the case was reviewed again.

Either way they are victimising an innocent man.
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Old 25-12-2016, 22:12
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What i can't figure on this is the time lapse. As he was first investigated in 1999 it's not clear whether he was suspended then, or only in 2014 when the case was reviewed again.

Either way they are victimising an innocent man.
Alison Saunders of the CPS had many abuse cases reviewed in the months after she took over

He was suspended in 2014 from what I can see when it was reviewed.
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Old 25-12-2016, 22:25
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I assume you mean the spirit that includes the protection of the young and vulnerable?
How does sacking a bell ringer serve to protect the young and vulnerable?
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Old 25-12-2016, 22:34
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Alison Saunders of the CPS had many abuse cases reviewed in the months after she took over

He was suspended in 2014 from what I can see when it was reviewed.
Target driven chief mud slinger. Chuck enough around everywhere in the hope some sticks and that's good enough for her!
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Old 25-12-2016, 23:01
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I have no comment on this case, or any others I hear about because I can't know all the evidence and I wasn't there etc

But I am deeply uncomfortable with the CPS continually phrasing their decisions as
"We are referring the case to Court because there is a realistic prospect of conviction"

It does not seem to consider the quality or soundness of the evidence and seems to pre-suppose Guilt.
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Old 25-12-2016, 23:16
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Sounds like the minster chapter are now being overzealous in a reactionary way to compensate for the Church's lapses in the past.

Good on the bellringers to rally and refuse to ring en bloc. You don't much get solidarity like that for against an injustice these days
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Old 26-12-2016, 01:29
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Sounds like the minster chapter are now being overzealous in a reactionary way to compensate for the Church's lapses in the past.

Good on the bellringers to rally and refuse to ring en bloc. You don't much get solidarity like that for against an injustice these days
A similar case where a long deceased Bishop has had his good name destroyed on very dubious grounds.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/35971308
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Old 26-12-2016, 05:26
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Bell ringing is reallly really annoying, I bet only about 3 people are devastated.
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Old 26-12-2016, 07:25
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I believe this story has a lot more to it that can be released into the public domain.
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Old 26-12-2016, 07:52
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There's a Midsomer Murders episode in there somewhere.
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Old 26-12-2016, 16:46
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I believe this story has a lot more to it that can be released into the public domain.
Possibly but for a judge to award costs so the police have to pay and for all his colleagues and another set from another area to stand by someone says a lot , not too many people would take such a firm stand if there were any doubts or evidence.
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Old 26-12-2016, 19:16
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Bell ringing is really really annoying, I bet only about 3 people are devastated.
I always find it amusing when people whine about bell ringing 'annoying' them. Most don't even live there and the moaners that do, the church bells were there centuries before them.

Thousands go to hear the bells at this church which is known the world over. It's a tourist attraction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQaQekxJkTE
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Old 26-12-2016, 19:31
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I always find it amusing when people whine about bell ringing 'annoying' them. Most don't even live there and the moaners that do, the church bells were there centuries before them.

Thousands go to hear the bells at this church which is known the world over. It's a tourist attraction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQaQekxJkTE
British bellringing is beautiful as it is sequential 'change ringing'.
On the continent they just ring them all at once, which can make an awful discordant din.
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