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Old 25-12-2016, 23:33
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I know what Lee has done is absolutely hideous, to deliberately endanger your family is an absolutely disgraceful and shameful thing to do, not to mention the other things he has done over the past few days and weeks.

But on one level I feel sorry for him. He has screwed up in a big way, he also feels inadequate compared to Mick. His family are going to be so angry at him, which is going to leave him feeling even more isolated.

He has made horrendous choices, but I can't help but feel a bit sorry for him too.
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Old 25-12-2016, 23:38
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No he's a scumbag

You don't steal from your own no matter how bad life is

Mick will kill him
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Old 26-12-2016, 00:14
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Yes. I know what he did was terrible, but we've seen over the last few months that Lee is suffering with deep-seated depression. Depression is an illness in the same way that Phil's alcoholism is an illness. I'm not trying to excuse either Lee's awful decisions (or indeed Phil's terrible behaviour this past year - he very nearly killed Denny and Louise on two seperate occasions) but merely trying to understand it. He put his family through hell and Mick has every right to give him a dressing down, but Lee really isn't thinking straight. He thinks of himself as a failure. I genuinely think that he seems to hate himself. It's self-loathing which is symptomatic of depression. And (though Lee has to take responsibility for his own actions) Whitney hasn't exactly helped the situation. Lee's depression isn't her fault, but I'm getting tired of seeing her piling on demands on him. The carters are a sham family, essentially. They talk about closeness but it's really on a superficial level.
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Old 26-12-2016, 00:26
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I always feel sorry for him
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Old 26-12-2016, 00:40
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I felt incredibly sorry for him re his depression, but now... No. Too many stupid and vile actions, too many self inflicted problems. Depression doesn't make you have your family home robbed.
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Old 26-12-2016, 00:56
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One thing is clear now. He is absolutely fecked.
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Old 26-12-2016, 00:58
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I do cause if you ever had depression you can see how easy for things to get out of hand.
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Old 26-12-2016, 00:59
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Er....no! I don't feel sorry for him at all! I did feel for him over the depression storyline but as someone else posted above depression does not make you decide to rob your own family. Lee has no one to blame but himself for his life - he was doing well in the army but couldn't control his temper. He got a job at a pub - assistant manager was it? - But jacked it in after a few days. Johnny has tried to help him recently as he knows lee's been worried about money but Lee has just been vile to him. He set up a robbery at his own family's HOME where his baby brother was just to get a few quid. He's robbed Billy and his own neighbour. He might have got caught up in wanting to impress Whitney but he knew what he was doing was wrong. will be interesting to see how mick reacts when he finds out. Will he give him a talking to but ultimately support him? Or will he disown him?
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Old 26-12-2016, 01:05
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I did up until the robbery as I know he was suffering from depression, which my dad had and I can relate to as it made him do some absolutely terrible things which tore my family apart, but after that he's been a complete scumbag and Fitney deserves better.
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Old 26-12-2016, 01:17
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Er....no! I don't feel sorry for him at all! I did feel for him over the depression storyline but as someone else posted above depression does not make you decide to rob your own family. Lee has no one to blame but himself for his life - he was doing well in the army but couldn't control his temper. He got a job at a pub - assistant manager was it? - But jacked it in after a few days. Johnny has tried to help him recently as he knows lee's been worried about money but Lee has just been vile to him He set up a robbery at his own family's HOME where his baby brother was just to get a few quid. He's robbed Billy and his own neighbour. He might have got caught up in wanting to impress Whitney but he knew what he was doing was wrong. will be interesting to see how mick reacts when he finds out. Will he give him a talking to but ultimately support him? Or will he disown him?
bib don't blame depression for being such a low life scum.

So no, I do not feel bad for him, I feel worse for the family, even though they have been complete idiots believing everything he said.
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Old 26-12-2016, 01:22
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No, he's a total, spineless idiot. He should just tell Whitney he's not making as much as he thought blah blah she loves him anyway, he's not going to lose her for that but he probably will when she finds out everything.
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Old 26-12-2016, 01:39
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I've had depression so empahtise and understand but there's being desperate and in real shit and not knowing what to do and there's stealing from your family...
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Old 26-12-2016, 01:48
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Yes. I know what he did was terrible, but we've seen over the last few months that Lee is suffering with deep-seated depression. Depression is an illness in the same way that Phil's alcoholism is an illness. I'm not trying to excuse either Lee's awful decisions (or indeed Phil's terrible behaviour this past year - he very nearly killed Denny and Louise on two seperate occasions) but merely trying to understand it. He put his family through hell and Mick has every right to give him a dressing down, but Lee really isn't thinking straight. He thinks of himself as a failure. I genuinely think that he seems to hate himself. It's self-loathing which is symptomatic of depression. And (though Lee has to take responsibility for his own actions) Whitney hasn't exactly helped the situation. Lee's depression isn't her fault, but I'm getting tired of seeing her piling on demands on him. The carters are a sham family, essentially. They talk about closeness but it's really on a superficial level.
What Lee's done is wrong, no room for doubt there but I agree with you about him feeling inadequate and hating himself. On the one hand he has Mick the hard man and local publican whom people look up to and then there's Johnny who has always been Linda's 'little sausage' her favourite and he feels like he can't compete with either of them. I think Whitney is in the same position as Lee, really. Not making excuses for her, either but she's had a very tough life and now she believes she's found some happiness she wants to make it up to herself for all the bad times she went through.
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Old 26-12-2016, 02:11
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No, he's a dull character and badly written imo. Possibly badly acted too, but so badly written it's hard to tell.
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Old 26-12-2016, 04:27
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He is very very naughty and very very gormless.
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Old 26-12-2016, 06:30
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No, he is a complete waste of space and a utter spineless wimp should have manned up and told the truth about his crap job months ago and told Whitney not to be such a parasite get off her backside and get a job instead of just swanning about wasting money.
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Old 26-12-2016, 07:35
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No. I feel for him for depressions, but he's endangered his whole family just to keep up his lies. Whitney didn't leave him over all the crap he already pulled on her, she wouldn't leave him if he were honest with her.
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Old 26-12-2016, 07:49
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No sympathy for him at all - he's brought this on himself (not to mention the Carters and Whitney, who are the ones who DO deserve the sympathy)
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Old 26-12-2016, 07:56
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No sympathy for him at all - he's brought this on himself (not to mention the Carters and Whitney, who are the ones who DO deserve the sympathy)
While I agree have no sympathy for Lee, also you have to admit that Whitney and the Carters must be pretty stupid to think gormless Lee would have such a high powered job in the first place he is not exactly the sharpest tool in the box after all said and done.
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Old 26-12-2016, 08:26
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No not really
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Old 26-12-2016, 09:22
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Be Should tell Whitney to get off ger backside and get to work
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Old 26-12-2016, 09:30
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I did until the robbery. Now he deserves everything that's coming to him.

I was raised to believe that stealing from your own family is among the very worst things anyone could do, so in my mind he's a total and utter scumbag.
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Old 26-12-2016, 09:54
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I did until the robbery. Now he deserves everything that's coming to him.

I was raised to believe that stealing from your own family is among the very worst things anyone could do, so in my mind he's a total and utter scumbag.
I agree

If they are writing for us to feel sorry for him it ain't working
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Old 26-12-2016, 10:00
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I do generally feel sorry for him but there are things he's done that complicate those feelings. I do think they needed to delve deeper into the psychology behind his seeming detachment from his family and their feelings during the break-in as his depression storyline has turned a bit silly since then, which is a shame.

One thing I do think is a bit unbelievable is that Mick now knows he's working at a call centre but STILL hasn't questioned how he's able to afford all this new stuff. You'd think it would have been the first question out of his mouth. But I suppose they're saving it all for a big showdown.
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Old 26-12-2016, 10:05
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I did until the robbery. Now he deserves everything that's coming to him.

I was raised to believe that stealing from your own family is among the very worst things anyone could do, so in my mind he's a total and utter scumbag.
Yep. Not to mention wanting to pawn off his mum's prized heirloom around the same time.

Can't wait to see everyone find out tonight!
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