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Old 26-12-2016, 08:52
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This is not just about the Christmas episode, this is about the past few months of episodes. Where barely anything has been happening, with episodes feeling like they are on repetitive loops. Phils struggle, Shakeel not getting the action, Bens daddy issues and so on. I cant understand how someone can sit through it, its the first time in years where ive missed days and days of episodes at a time

Now I am not asking for episodes to include explosions or blatant eye candy drama, but an actual thought provoking or big storyline would be nice that grabs the attention of viewers one way or another.

We live in a world of internet and YouTube, where shows or videos can be seen at a click of a button. Eastenders needs to step their game up if they want to attract viewers from all generations. If I wanted to see people happily eating christmas dinner having small talk, I would watch Big Brother or some other lame reality show.
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Old 26-12-2016, 09:06
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Going by all the 'SOC is rubbish' and 'EE is rubbish' type threads he's under-praised not over-praised.
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Old 26-12-2016, 09:13
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People like the slowness of it because they think it's realistic. The community vibe appeals too. Personally it was DCT and the Lucy murder that drew me back in 2014 and I loved the affairs and conflict. The Archers to me is a good alternative to Nytol and EE is becoming similar.
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Old 26-12-2016, 09:18
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I can see exactly where this thread is going so I'll say this: the personal digs at fans who are enjoying the show need to stop. By all means criticise the show to your heart's content, but you have no right to criticise posters on here for enjoying it, or indeed to question their motives for praising the show, as some people seem to be doing. A lot of us are genuinely enjoying the show right now and we're allowed to say why without being told we're nostalgic, brainwashed, stupid, or easily-pleased.
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Old 26-12-2016, 09:19
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Hear hear bass!
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Old 26-12-2016, 09:24
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I certainly wouldn't say SOC is being over-praised if anything he is being over-criticised there have been threads started daily that slate and criticise for the past few months to the point it seems some are obsessed with criticising as if it's the new fashionable thing to do to gain forum kudos.
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Old 26-12-2016, 09:37
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I'm really enjoying Eastenders, at the moment, but hated most of the time under DTC, when he took over, he promised, no Sensational storylines, No Greatest Hits, and he failed on every one of his promises, he done the opposite every time.

Why has Sean O Connor, been getting stick, when I'm guessing he would have given TPTB his ideas at the Interview Stage.

And of course if you dont like Eastenders anymore, most have several hundred other channels, broaden your horizons, you may enjoy it
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Old 26-12-2016, 09:45
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I think it's because a lot of people prefer plot-driven SLs to character-driven ones. I prefer the latter, and think he's doing a great job.
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Old 26-12-2016, 10:11
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I can see exactly where this thread is going so I'll say this: the personal digs at fans who are enjoying the show need to stop. By all means criticise the show to your heart's content, but you have no right to criticise posters on here for enjoying it, or indeed to question their motives for praising the show, as some people seem to be doing. A lot of us are genuinely enjoying the show right now and we're allowed to say why without being told we're nostalgic, brainwashed, stupid, or easily-pleased.
Exactly Bass. Thered nothing wrong with healthy debate but there are some on here who seem incapable of accepting that their views may differ to others.

#criticisetheshownottheviewers
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Old 26-12-2016, 10:14
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I think it's because a lot of people prefer plot-driven SLs to character-driven ones. I prefer the latter, and think he's doing a gureat job.
Me too, I'm invested in the characters for the first time in decades.
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Old 26-12-2016, 10:23
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As a rule this forum prefers older eras across most shows soaps , reality etc and always looks back to the good old days.

I see what this guy is trying to achieve give the show an old feel in the modern era, compared to the previous producer.

However the show is ok but quite slow moving these days a modern audience is never going to tolerate this long term
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Old 26-12-2016, 10:25
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Me too, I'm invested in the characters for the first time in decades.
Think its because how it is now, you feel more warmth for the characters you care about them more.

The way the show is going, probably explains, why Ronnie and Roxy are leaving, Ronnie especially has always been a bit gansterish, so doesn't fit in anymore.

I know Phil has been like that, but I can see him mellowing following Liver Transplant
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Old 26-12-2016, 10:25
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In my opinion, EastEnders has come on leap and bounds since DTC's departure. Is it enthralling? The answer is not really but I'm enjoying the characters again. O'Connor is laying the foundations and whilst many storylines are low-key, some people need to be patient and next week is going to be an action-packed week with twists and turns. O'Connor describes the Mitchell sisters' exit in one word: 'baroque'.

There is an interview from the guy and he has briefly spoken about his plans for next year.

"After the extraordinary baroque departure of the Mitchell sisters, there's loads to look forward to in early 2017 - the show races into the New Year with some fantastic stories.

The audience can expect a few shocks, some laughs, some tears. 2017 is going to be EastEnders at its best, with new characters round the corner and some big challenges for the ones we already know and love. Watch this space!"


Source: http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/east...-sean-oconnor/
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Old 26-12-2016, 10:41
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In my opinion, EastEnders has come on leap and bounds since DTC's departure. Is it enthralling? The answer is not really but I'm enjoying the characters again. O'Connor is laying the foundations and whilst many storylines are low-key, some people need to be patient and next week is going to be an action-packed week with twists and turns. O'Connor describes the Mitchell sisters' exit in one word: 'baroque'.

There is an interview from the guy and he has briefly spoken about his plans for next year.

"After the extraordinary baroque departure of the Mitchell sisters, there's loads to look forward to in early 2017 - the show races into the New Year with some fantastic stories.

The audience can expect a few shocks, some laughs, some tears. 2017 is going to be EastEnders at its best, with new characters round the corner and some big challenges for the ones we already know and love. Watch this space!"


Source: http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/east...-sean-oconnor/
What on earth does Baroque mean?
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Old 26-12-2016, 11:11
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Because people have this thing call free will, which allows them to express their own thoughts and opinions and they simply not following the direction of others.

The negativity has been more then any praise.
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Old 26-12-2016, 11:20
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One thing I have noticed, is when there's a thread slating SOC, immediately the first post will be insisting how great SOC is and the direction he is taking the show, which is very strange, as this doesn't happen in other threads.

SOC is like marmite you either love him or hate him. If you like day to day reality living of the little things the people in the square do, then you will like it. If you enjoy drama, and edge of your seat viewing you will hate it.

Also SOC doesn't seem to care what the viewers think at all. If he puts out a pile of turd, as long as he is happy with it he doesn't care. Which is a worry, because when it is really bad, it will stay really bad, as he will just ignore any criticism.
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Old 26-12-2016, 11:23
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One thing I have noticed, is when there's a thread slating SOC, immediately the first post will be insisting how great SOC is and the direction he is taking the show, which is very strange, as this doesn't happen in other threads.

SOC is like marmite you either love him or hate him. If you like day to day reality living of the little things the people in the square do, then you will like it. If you enjoy drama, and edge of your seat viewing you will hate it.

Also SOC doesn't seem to care what the viewers think at all. If he puts out a pile of turd, as long as he is happy with it he doesn't care. Which is a worry, because when it is really bad, it will stay really bad, as he will just ignore any criticism.
Reminds me very much of Bryan Birkwood in that sense.
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Old 26-12-2016, 11:24
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What on earth does Baroque mean?
Tragic perhaps Shakespearian edit no it is exaggerated and visual apparently
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Old 26-12-2016, 11:38
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Other users are entitled to their opinion and I completely understand why people are enjoying the show.

I felt the episode was slow but the last 10/15 minutes were rather special and me and the family did end up enjoying it and smiling, which I suppose was refreshing, especially after last years very cold episode!

What I will say, is that the forum is very out of touch from what I've seen. The show is being slaughtered on Facebook and Twitter. DS nor social media can speak for everyone, but social media is by far, a lot more reliable
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Old 26-12-2016, 11:46
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Other users are entitled to their opinion and I completely understand why people are enjoying the show.

I felt the episode was slow but the last 10/15 minutes were rather special and me and the family did end up enjoying it and smiling, which I suppose was refreshing, especially after last years very cold episode!

What I will say, is that the forum is very out of touch from what I've seen. The show is being slaughtered on Facebook and Twitter. DS nor social media can speak for everyone, but social media is by far, a lot more reliable
If Facebook and Twitter were reliable Martin would have won IAC, Danny would have won Strictly and we wouldn't be in the middle of Brexit.
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Old 26-12-2016, 11:52
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As vald said, you can't get more 'out of touch' with general public opinion than the echo chamber of Twitter and Facebook.

The true test of EastEnders' popularity is ratings. If the show really is as awful as some posters claim, people will vote with their feet and abandon it. Don't forget, there are millions of people who watch EastEnders every week who have no idea who Sean O Connor is, and who have never posted their opinions on the show on social media or an Internet forum.
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Old 26-12-2016, 11:53
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As vald said, you can't get more 'out of touch' with general public opinion than the echo chamber of Twitter and Facebook.

The true test of EastEnders' popularity is ratings. There are millions of people who watch EastEnders every week who have no idea who Sean O Connor is, and who have never posted their opinions on the show on social media or an Internet forum.
5.9million isn't fantastic for Xmas day though
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Old 26-12-2016, 11:56
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5.9million isn't fantastic for Xmas day though
It's an overnight figure so will be revised. The later time slot must also be accounted for - I'm sure plenty will watch on iPlayer, and in general Christmas tv ratings have been on the decline for years. EastEnders got about the same number last year IIRC.
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Old 26-12-2016, 12:08
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5.9million isn't fantastic for Xmas day though
It's a big improvement on last year and far better than ED got last night. The only programme that did well yesterday was the Queen...go figure.
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Old 26-12-2016, 12:15
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The show has been really boring lately. It's fine to not have sensational things happening, but if that's the case the scenes need to be engaging with good dialogue. Lately we've had lots of filler, for example people singing and dancing at hen parties. EastEnders' biggest strength has always been the dramatic twists and turns, not humour. The show has an identity crisis as it doesn't feel like the show we know and love. Having said that, the last week has been more enjoyable, but still somewhat lacking.
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