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Wow, it sounds like you really believe that. The EU doesn't give power, it usurps it. Any states unfortunate to still be in the EU in the next decade or so will have as much international clout as Iowa or South Dakota, i.e. - little to none. The French voice in international affairs has pretty much disappeared - it doesn't even control its own currency and it is well known that the EU uses Frances seat on the UN security council to exert its own influence rather than the exclusive French view.
The UK will probably grow faster once it is completely out of the EU and the customs union because it will have its own self interests at heart as well as the flexibility to implement policies that directly benefit British businesses, and attract overseas investment. Brexit will ultimately lead to a rebalancing of the British economy as well, because it currently is too focused on the financial services industry. You also underestimate the infrastructure that the City of London boasts. No European cities can touch it, and won't for decades - even if there was an exodus from London (which there won't be, because they're not just here because of our EU membership). The EU was created to contain German strength. That is no way to base the future of a successful nation like Britain. Germany was destroyed twice in the last century, it sufffered with dictatorship. Italy and Spain likewise, France was occupied by German forces for years. Smaller EU countries such as Ireland, Portugal and Greece have long histories of having little control over their own affairs (i.e. - no currency or military independence). Eastern EU countries have fallen out of one overbearing empire in to another one. Britain doesn't need to be an EU state - it has always been a globally-focused country throughout its modern history. The EU is parochial, declining and, like all empires, will eventually collapse. Do you think Canada, Australia, Singapore, Japan and South Korea should give up hope on their future even though they live on the doorstep of a massive market that they aren't members of? Even though they are amongst the richest nations of Earth? Britain, with its expertise in financial services, home to one of the worlds most significant super cities, world leading expertise in robotics, automotive and other advanced technologies, highly integrated diplomatic, intelligence and military network that dwarfs anything that any other country in Europe, or the aforementioned independent countries have. It's ironic - remoaners go on about leavers trying to hark back to the days of the British Empire, when it is in fact them who think we need to be part of the EU (and, in their delusion, thinking we can lead it) so we can become a global superpower again. Yes - lets build the European empire along the entire western flank of a resurgent Russia and see how that goes down - lets see how many British troops are killed in Eastern Europe then. I'd rather Britain concentrates on its strengths to build wealth for its citizens and be a welcoming place for people from all over the world to come to study in our leading academic institutions, work in high tech industries, and work to open up trade infrastructure around the planet. The EU, with its regional, parochial, power-hungry view can continue on with its own dillusions and see where it gets them.
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Exactly.
We were all told that we would be worse off if we left the EU So why is anyone surprised Thats what people voted for You can't now say the public took on-board all those warnings that Vote Leave told everyone to ignore. |
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Wow, it sounds like you really believe that. The EU doesn't give power, it usurps it. Any states unfortunate to still be in the EU in the next decade or so will have as much international clout as Iowa or South Dakota, i.e. - little to none. The French voice in international affairs has pretty much disappeared - it doesn't even control its own currency and it is well known that the EU uses Frances seat on the UN security council to exert its own influence rather than the exclusive French view.
The UK will probably grow faster once it is completely out of the EU and the customs union because it will have its own self interests at heart as well as the flexibility to implement policies that directly benefit British businesses, and attract overseas investment. Brexit will ultimately lead to a rebalancing of the British economy as well, because it currently is too focused on the financial services industry. You also underestimate the infrastructure that the City of London boasts. No European cities can touch it, and won't for decades - even if there was an exodus from London (which there won't be, because they're not just here because of our EU membership). The EU was created to contain German strength. That is no way to base the future of a successful nation like Britain. Germany was destroyed twice in the last century, it sufffered with dictatorship. Italy and Spain likewise, France was occupied by German forces for years. Smaller EU countries such as Ireland, Portugal and Greece have long histories of having little control over their own affairs (i.e. - no currency or military independence). Eastern EU countries have fallen out of one overbearing empire in to another one. Britain doesn't need to be an EU state - it has always been a globally-focused country throughout its modern history. The EU is parochial, declining and, like all empires, will eventually collapse. Do you think Canada, Australia, Singapore, Japan and South Korea should give up hope on their future even though they live on the doorstep of a massive market that they aren't members of? Even though they are amongst the richest nations of Earth? Britain, with its expertise in financial services, home to one of the worlds most significant super cities, world leading expertise in robotics, automotive and other advanced technologies, highly integrated diplomatic, intelligence and military network that dwarfs anything that any other country in Europe, or the aforementioned independent countries have. It's ironic - remoaners go on about leavers trying to hark back to the days of the British Empire, when it is in fact them who think we need to be part of the EU (and, in their delusion, thinking we can lead it) so we can become a global superpower again. Yes - lets build the European empire along the entire western flank of a resurgent Russia and see how that goes down - lets see how many British troops are killed in Eastern Europe then. I'd rather Britain concentrates on its strengths to build wealth for its citizens and be a welcoming place for people from all over the world to come to study in our leading academic institutions, work in high tech industries, and work to open up trade infrastructure around the planet. The EU, with its regional, parochial, power-hungry view can continue on with its own dillusions and see where it gets them. |
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Who exactly do you think the EU is? It is a union of 28 countries FGS not a single entity.
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You're missing the point. It acts like it's a single entity and pisses its citizens off by doing that.
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I'm not missing the point at all. Who is IT? Every single one of the 28 countries gets a vote or veto on laws/decisions. The people we democratically elect get a voice. We get a voice - the other 27 countries get a voice the EU is a UNION.
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The UK economy has certainly not been held back by being part of the EEC then the EU for 43 years.
And the UK's continued EU membership is certainly not to blame for stopping the tory government from having already completed a full spectacular recovery of the UK economy from the 2008 worldwide recession and wiping out the debt and trade defecit into a surplus. The UK trade defecit and huge debt which has seen the UK's AAA credit rating cut to AA is 0% to do with the EU whatsoever, so really it's high time Brexiters stopped blaming the EU and EEC for all UK economic failures over the course of the last 43+ years. Ireland's economy has thrived by being an EEC then EU member after all. And they have been a net contributer to the EEC then EEU, and have certainly not been a chicks mouth to feed. |
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You've obviously never heard of QMV. The stunning powerhouses of Latvia and Bulgaria can block anything they see fit. Great UNION that is.
Would you prefer a Union where it was easier to force countries to do thing they didn't want to? No. So what's your point? You don't have one. |
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And the UK has more votes than either of those countries.
Would you prefer a Union where it was easier to force countries to do thing they didn't want to? No. So what's your point? You don't have one. |
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QMV forces countries to do things they don't want to do. Kim Jong from North Korea is proud of the EU.
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QMV forces countries to do things they don't want to do. Kim Jong from North Korea is proud of the EU.
I think this is a new record in the stupidity of your posts, and the previous record holder was already very stupid. |
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