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Old 26-12-2016, 12:14
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soc has done wonders for EE from the sensationalist DTC plots has has brought life back to the characters and brought back the community feel which Julia and Tony started with. Don't understand why there has to be at least 2 threads per episodes slating him. Looking at the Poll on DS EE was the best.
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Old 26-12-2016, 12:21
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soc has done wonders for EE from the sensationalist DTC plots has has brought life back to the characters and brought back the community feel which Julia and Tony started with. Don't understand why there has to be at least 2 threads per episodes slating him. Looking at the Poll on DS EE was the best.

I like what you have done. I thought that dtc was going to bring back the ethos of the show but it never happened but it is working under sock in my opinion.

I am not sure about Michelle, it feels like another bringing back Dead Kathy move. But I am going to give it a chance, the actress is supposedly quite decent and so we will see if she can make the role and be convincing.

Its a bit like Robert in ED he was iconic and Robert to me and the version we have now, I still see him as a completely different character with Roberts name. Its gonna take sonething really massive to make this version of Michelle as iconic as the original
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Old 26-12-2016, 12:33
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''community feel'' ''back to the 80s heyday''
Keep seeing this over and over. Seriously do the general audience outside of the forum who want half an hour of escapism really care about a ''community feel''?
His work has been awful thus far, however the trailer for the next week looks good, so I will see if things pick up. Fingers crossed.
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Old 26-12-2016, 12:52
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soc has done wonders for EE from the sensationalist DTC plots has has brought life back to the characters and brought back the community feel which Julia and Tony started with. Don't understand why there has to be at least 2 threads per episodes slating him. Looking at the Poll on DS EE was the best.
EE was only best because 80% of the people on here are over 40. To younger people EE is boring. It is one of my least favourite soaps and I watch 10!
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Old 26-12-2016, 12:53
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''community feel'' ''bagrack to the 80s heyday''
Keep seeing this over and over. Seriously do the general audience outside of the forum who want half an hour of escapism really care about a ''community feel''?
His work has been awful thus far, however the trailer for the next week looks good, so I will see if things pick up. Fingers crossed.
Re: Community Feel

Agreed. It is SO boring.
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Old 26-12-2016, 12:55
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EE was only best because 80% of the people on here are over 40. To younger people EE is boring. It is one of my least favourite soaps and I watch 10!
What's someone's age got to do wih whether or not they like EastEnders?
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Old 26-12-2016, 13:18
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EE was only best because 80% of the people on here are over 40. To younger people EE is boring. It is one of my least favourite soaps and I watch 10!
Well I'm firmly under 40 and EE is the only soap that doesn't bore me to tears. Of course if you think Hollyoaks is the height of entertainment then you probably will struggle to understand why some of us are praising EE at the moment.

By the way I must have missed the poll you did to find out that 80% on here are over 40: can you point me towards it?
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Old 26-12-2016, 13:22
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Well I'm firmly under 40 and EE is the only soap that doesn't bore me to tears. Of course if you think Hollyoaks is the height of entertainment then you probably will struggle to understand why some of us are praising EE at the moment.

By the way I must have missed the poll you did to find out that 80% on here are over 40: can you point me towards it?
I only watch EE at the moment so I have nothing to compare it too. Nothing would get me to start watching any of the other soaps, because like you when I did watch they bored me to tears.

And I'm a bit of a way off from my forties just yet.
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Old 26-12-2016, 13:23
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EE was only best because 80% of the people on here are over 40. To younger people EE is boring. It is one of my least favourite soaps and I watch 10!
i am not over 40 and EE is not boring. in fact there are a whole lot of young folk on this forum who really enjoy EE

What's someone's age got to do wih whether or not they like EastEnders?
Not a lot
Well I'm firmly under 40 and EE is the only soap that doesn't bore me to tears. Of course if you think Hollyoaks is the height of entertainment then you probably will struggle to understand why some of us are praising EE at the moment.

By the way I must have missed the poll you did to find out that 80% on here are over 40: can you point me towards it?
I watch the four main soaps , i don't think age has anything to do with it. There are a whole lots of obsessive (and normal) teens who like EE and the other soaps. hollyoaks isnt the height of entertainment anyway but even they have toned the sensationlism and over the topness right down in the past few months
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Old 26-12-2016, 13:23
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What's someone's age got to do wih whether or not they like EastEnders?
Especially when on the whole it has a mixed but generally more younger audience in comparison to the other two
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Old 26-12-2016, 13:25
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It's just Eastenders, which seems to get slagged off the most on the forum, whoever had been EP would have got the same treatment on here.
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Old 26-12-2016, 13:28
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The age thing is a generalisation, I'm 28 not pushing 40 for another 12 years, not that it matters either way.
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Old 26-12-2016, 13:28
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It's just Eastenders, which seems to get slagged off the most on the forum, whoever had been EP would have got the same treatment on here.
Its really not.

ED and CS get the same treatment. in fact in the past year it has been hard to find positive CS threads.

Even when ED won best soap, instead of being pleased and saying well done a large portion of "ED fans/posters" were slagging it off saying it shouldn't have won. Yet the othe soap fans/posters were congratulating it. It was most bizarre I have to say
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Old 26-12-2016, 13:38
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EE was only best because 80% of the people on here are over 40. To younger people EE is boring. It is one of my least favourite soaps and I watch 10!
It's not just the younger people. I'm in my 30s and watched the show since the early 90's and I agree that is is boring. Nothing to do with age or generation. I just find it uninteresting and a clear lack of drama. I really don't think age matters. You either have enjoy it or you don't.

At the end of the day people watch for different reasons. Some are quite happy to watch for the community feel and there is nothing wrong with that what's so ever but I have to agree with the poster who said most don't. I don't have any statistic to back that up but come on, it is a soap and it's prime aim is to entertain and provide drama. I'm not saying shock deaths and or contrive plot twists. Im all for realism and subtltly but where is the gritty kitchen sink drama - that when EE gets it right - excels at? EE have proven to show groundbreaking storylines in the past and really engage audiences. I've loved some of the stuff they have delivered in the past. I'm talking Stacey's bi-polar, you ain't my muvva, whitey/Toney, syeds sexuality... etc. All character driven and not done for shock value but they were wonderfully told and you cared about these characters. Community feel is just not enough I'm afraid.
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Old 26-12-2016, 13:39
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Because he's a demonstrably poor producer.
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Old 26-12-2016, 13:41
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Well I'm firmly under 40 and EE is the only soap that doesn't bore me to tears. Of course if you think Hollyoaks is the height of entertainment then you probably will struggle to understand why some of us are praising EE at the moment.

By the way I must have missed the poll you did to find out that 80% on here are over 40: can you point me towards it?
Agreed Eastenders is the only one that doesn't bore me to tears.
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Old 26-12-2016, 13:50
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EE was only best because 80% of the people on here are over 40. To younger people EE is boring. It is one of my least favourite soaps and I watch 10!
I am way under 30 and I don't find EE Boring and same with my friends aswell so unless you have proof that younger people find it boring then show it here
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Old 26-12-2016, 13:53
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It's not just the younger people. I'm in my 30s and watched the show since the early 90's and I agree that is is boring. Nothing to do with age or generation. I just find it uninteresting and a clear lack of drama. I really don't think age matters. You either have enjoy it or you don't.

At the end of the day people watch for different reasons. Some are quite happy to watch for the community feel and there is nothing wrong with that what's so ever but I have to agree with the poster who said most don't. I don't have any statistic to back that up but come on, it is a soap and it's prime aim is to entertain and provide drama. I'm not saying shock deaths and or contrive plot twists. Im all for realism and subtltly buut where is the gritty kitchen sink drama - that when EE gets it right - excels at? EE have proven to show groundbreaking storylines in the past and really engage audiences. I've loved some of the stuff they have delivered in the past. I'm talking Stacey's bi-polar, you ain't my muvva, whitey/Toney, syeds sexuality... etc. All character driven and not done for shock value but they were wonderfully told and you cared about these characters. Community feel is just not enough I'm afraid.
Have you started watching again?
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Old 26-12-2016, 14:10
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Have you started watching again?
I'll be honest. Just the last few episodes and I've probably watched the odd episode here and there over the year . That's because nothing is holding my interest. The last full year I watched was 2014.

I'm probably not the best person to analyse the current state of EE as I don't really watch anymore. Despite not being a regular viewer, i do regularly read the comments and see what people's thoughts are and find out what's going on. From my understanding the main stories this year have been Phils alcoholism/liver and Lee's depression. Then I hear kathys husband/ Sharon's father returned. I saw some of that and thought it was terrible. I've heard here that lees storyline was decent but it just did t inspire me to watch because I have no interest in him or Whitney.

The whole community feel vs drama debate has been going on for years even the days of Newman and Kirkwood. The real test of time for SOC will be 2017 I believe.
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Old 26-12-2016, 14:11
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Outside of making the communnity feel like a community and finally doing something about Michelle, Very little has happened. Most his axings were mistakes, all this storyline with Lee being behind this robbery is unconfortable is the worst decision and almost every duff duff has been so dull. The only good ones were Maxes returns and the exits. The rest are very boring and doesn't get you excited for the following episode. The community feel needs to stay but the dramatic side also needs some balance.
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Old 26-12-2016, 14:13
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What's someone's age got to do wih whether or not they like EastEnders?
Agreed. I'm 21 and like the community feel. But a better balance js needed especially for the duff duff moments.
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Old 26-12-2016, 14:46
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''community feel'' ''back to the 80s heyday''
Keep seeing this over and over. Seriously do the general audience outside of the forum who want half an hour of escapism really care about a ''community feel''?
His work has been awful thus far, however the trailer for the next week looks good, so I will see if things pick up. Fingers crossed.
If you think they don't, then they and indeed you do not understand how EastEnders works. What makes it great, what attracted people to it in the first place and what has kept viewers watching 30 years later.

The community feel is a basic need.
Otherwise what do you have? Stuff happening to characters who neither know or have any relationship with each other and indeed, who we don't care about.

Do you think Coronation Street would have survived this long without a community feel? The same for Emmerdale.

The main three soaps have all been built on community, on relationships and character based drama. And SOC has really brought this back to EastEnders. Dominic Treadwell Collins was good and I did enjoy a lot of his stories, but I could see the show becoming tired and burned from all the stories, that bordered toward sensationalist. Storylines were moving at such a pace, that characerisation was lost. Characters we knew and loved, were acting in ways that made us question whether they were being true to themselves. Kathy, Jane and Ian are all point in case.

I thought I would find a more low key EastEnders Christmas tiresome, after the last few years of rape reveals, murders etc, but actually it was really good.

This year EastEnders's Christmas Day, rather than being the end of some big reveal or some other bonkers drama, was where the big drama begins. SOC is right to take his time, because when the big drama starts, it will have a much bigger impact. A show cannot work under the strain of big drama after big drama, because it becomes unrealistic and viewers don't care anymore.

Like when I read about Hollyoaks's latest stunt, I roll my eyes.
Maybe that appeals to some, but a lot of viewers of EastEnders, care more when the characters on screen at least interact with each other.
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Old 26-12-2016, 16:23
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''community feel'' ''back to the 80s heyday''
Keep seeing this over and over. Seriously do the general audience outside of the forum who want half an hour of escapism really care about a ''community feel''?
His work has been awful thus far, however the trailer for the next week looks good, so I will see if things pick up. Fingers crossed.
Seriously do the genreral audience outside of the forum who want half an hour of community feel stuff really care about murders, deaths, affairs etc?
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Old 26-12-2016, 16:35
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When a character is murdered, or a rape happens, or someone does something awful, you should never just shrug your shoulders and go, oh well that's another one.

Otherwise what is the point?
Soaps shouldn't make us desensitized to bad things happening.
And in the same token, this bloodlust for senseless drama, so long as it's a loud bang or lots of screaming and crying, should not be pandered to either.

It's about balance.
Like when the Queen Vic was raided a few weeks back, people were like OMG, what's happening. It wasn't advertised and was a total out of the blue curveball.
That's how it should be.
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Old 26-12-2016, 16:39
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Agreed. I'm 21 and like the community feel. But a better balance js needed especially for the duff duff moments.
I agree. I'm all for community feel but there has to be drama as well.
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