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Old 26-12-2016, 16:04
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Does anyone think the new liver he got last night might fail?
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Old 26-12-2016, 16:08
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I'm not sure it works like that.

They seem to want to be a bit more realistic with this s/l I think if he was too get any of his cousins liver it would just be to contrived
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Old 26-12-2016, 16:09
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Perhaps in the Enders of recent years.

I'm not so sure about now.
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Old 26-12-2016, 16:12
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Really I think its fairly obvious he is getting Ronnie's liver. I'm presuming that's part of the reason for them being killed off.
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Old 26-12-2016, 17:49
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Really I think its fairly obvious he is getting Ronnie's liver. I'm presuming that's part of the reason for them being killed off.
She wouldn't need to die for that . They tried the living donor thing with Ben . Once you're dead your liver (if you are an organ donor or your family decides) goes to the next one on the list. You don't have a say in who gets it .
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Old 26-12-2016, 18:24
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She wouldn't need to die for that . They tried the living donor thing with Ben . Once you're dead your liver (if you are an organ donor or your family decides) goes to the next one on the list. You don't have a say in who gets it .
But this is EastEnders...

I shall be extremely pissed off if they are being killed off and thats the end of it. What a waste, this reminds me of Birkwoods ego killing off characters just because he could and to make his mark. And we all know how that turned out..
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Old 26-12-2016, 18:37
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Maybe it will go to Tony. I doubt if he would be strong enough for another transplant so soon, if this one foes haywire. Of course in Walford, anything goes.
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Old 26-12-2016, 18:57
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I did wonder if he would get either Ronnie or roxy's liver if they die but since they were wheeling phil into the theatre for surgery I very much doubt that will happen now. I'm still hoping they don't get killed them off or at least Ronnie.
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Old 26-12-2016, 18:59
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Wouldn't Roxys liver be in almost as bad a state as Phils anyway seeing as she seems to be permanently pissed?
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Old 26-12-2016, 19:02
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Does anyone think the new liver he got last night might fail?
It was what I thought after last nights scenes. Its not unusual for the body to reject the liver and I think this is what they are building towards.

Its because R&R are dying that I think this will happen. Contrived but then I expect it these days, its a pleasant surprise when something goes against what everyone expects!
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Old 26-12-2016, 19:05
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Maybe Tony gets it?
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Old 26-12-2016, 19:06
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Wouldn't Roxys liver be in almost as bad a state as Phils anyway seeing as she seems to be permanently pissed?
I didn't think of that but you are spot on. It wouldn't be the most healthy of livers.
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Old 26-12-2016, 19:12
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I don't see there being time for Phil to reject the liver he has been given and then Ronnie/Roxy conveniently leaving another one for him to have, the new one Phil has needs to have time to see if it is going to work and a donated one would need to be transplanted almost immediately, and would Jack (as next of kin) even agree to Phil (or anyone) having Ronnie's and would Roxy's be in a fit state?
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Old 26-12-2016, 19:23
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I honestly don't think they will do it like. I think they are going to take the more realistic approach with the storyline, rather than the predictable route of having Ronnie and Roxy die, so that Phil would get a liver from one of them.
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Old 27-12-2016, 17:13
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I wonder if Tony will get Ronnie's liver? Maybe him and his family will be new characters.
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Old 27-12-2016, 17:18
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My understanding was if the donor is from a death, the recipients do not know where the organs came from (maybe sex and age?) and donor families certainly don't choose where organs go, that is down to a national database.
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Old 27-12-2016, 17:19
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Wouldn't it also depend on where R&R end up dying? (If they both do.) They'd need to die in a hospital surely, for them to be able to keep the liver from dying. It would also depend on whether Jack would agree to it, he doesn't seem that bothered about Phil's transplant, so unless someone talks him into it, I can't see it crossing his mind to give consent for organ donation.

But realistically, Phil wouldn't be in any state to attempt another transplant op any time soon if something happened to this new liver. He'd need time to recover from the operation first, the hospital probably wouldn't even perform it again so soon after.
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Old 27-12-2016, 17:29
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My understanding was if the donor is from a death, the recipients do not know where the organs came from (maybe sex and age?) and donor families certainly don't choose where organs go, that is down to a national database.
That is exactly right.

Recepients are allowed to right a letter of thanks to the Donors family but no names or addresses are included and they are delivered via the Transplant Coordination team.

I'm so pleased they've stayed true to the actual.process and had Phil get a liver from a stranger and not gone down the soapy, inacccurate route of getting a relatives.
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Old 27-12-2016, 19:20
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That is exactly right.

Recepients are allowed to right a letter of thanks to the Donors family but no names or addresses are included and they are delivered via the Transplant Coordination team.

I'm so pleased they've stayed true to the actual.process and had Phil get a liver from a stranger and not gone down the soapy, inacccurate route of getting a relatives.
I really think he is getting Ronnie's liver. I imagine she will be on life support before the inevitable, spoilers after new year 'one resident has to do the unthinkable' = agree to switch off Ronnie's life support.
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Old 27-12-2016, 19:39
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I really think he is getting Ronnie's liver. I imagine she will be on life support before the inevitable, spoilers after new year 'one resident has to do the unthinkable' = agree to switch off Ronnie's life support.
Ronnie is credited in Thursday's episode (the next episode)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0881k8v
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Old 27-12-2016, 19:42
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I really think he is getting Ronnie's liver. I imagine she will be on life support before the inevitable, spoilers after new year 'one resident has to do the unthinkable' = agree to switch off Ronnie's life support.
But even ifif that were to happen re her being an organ donor, her next of kin couldn't specify who receives her organs - it against every protocol and and Doctor or Transplant Coordinator, which is usually a senior nurse, that agreed to it would be struck off.

They would also never agree to it going to somebody known to the Donors family, especially a relative due to the psychological reactions of the family. Even if he was at the top of the list and a natch, it wouldn't happen, it would go to the next most suitable person.

Plus, as mentioned, he would be too weak from this weekends surgery.

I know your answer is likely to be that this is EE so real life procedures can be ignored but I really think that SOC is taking it back to its realistuc roots so wouldn't play fast and loose with something as important as this.

I also think it wpuld be very upsetting and offensuve to anybody that has experience of having to agree to a loved one being an organ donor, or has lost somebody waiting for an organ or is currently on the List if they did it.

So for all those reasons, I hope they don't.
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Old 27-12-2016, 19:48
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By the way, I haveno problem with either of them being Donors. I just don't want their liver to go to Phil.
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Old 27-12-2016, 19:50
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Old 27-12-2016, 20:17
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But even ifif that were to happen re her being an organ donor, her next of kin couldn't specify who receives her organs - it against every protocol and and Doctor or Transplant Coordinator, which is usually a senior nurse, that agreed to it would be struck off.

They would also never agree to it going to somebody known to the Donors family, especially a relative due to the psychological reactions of the family. Even if he was at the top of the list and a natch, it wouldn't happen, it would go to the next most suitable person.

Plus, as mentioned, he would be too weak from this weekends surgery.

I know your answer is likely to be that this is EE so real life procedures can be ignored but I really think that SOC is taking it back to its realistuc roots so wouldn't play fast and loose with something as important as this.

I also think it wpuld be very upsetting and offensuve to anybody that has experience of having to agree to a loved one being an organ donor, or has lost somebody waiting for an organ or is currently on the List if they did it.

So for all those reasons, I hope they don't.
But how realistic is one woman getting drowned by her wedding dress in a hotel swimming pool whilst trying to save her already drowned other sister?
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Old 27-12-2016, 20:29
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But how realistic is one woman getting drowned by her wedding dress in a hotel swimming pool whilst trying to save her already drowned other sister?
We don't know exactly what is going to happen.

And peoe do drown in swimming pos, especially if they've been drinking, and when trying to save other people.

Also heavy clothes csn drag people down, it's why taking pyjamas off whilst treading water is part of the swimming certificayes test. Or at least was when I was a child. As getting out of clothes and shoes is the first thing you should do if you get swept out to sea. Have you ever had to get out of a wedding dress? It's impossible without help with all the the back fastenings, even when dry.

Even aside from all that, it's very unlikely that viewers would have had that experience to get offended or upset by it. People will hsve had experience of Transplant procedures. I have as a good friends 5 year old daughter died suddenly snd they consented to her being a organ donor a few years ago. A second cousin died whilst waiting for a heart.

So straying from realism is different depending on the subject in my opinion.
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