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Six months post Brexit and the picture is clear,Britain is heading for isolationalism
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The infidel
26-12-2016
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“Our collapse wasn't caused by membership of the euro, and why would it hurt us to collect 13 billion euro off Apple? That would hurt Apple and the US Treasury, not Ireland.

Any word on these forcibly closed embassies?”

The EU is forcing iIreland to increase its corporation tax. The UK will be able to undercut them when we have left and overseas countries will pour into Britain. The EU I guess will become irrelevant both to the UK and the rest of the world.
Cheetah666
26-12-2016
Originally Posted by The infidel:
“The EU is forcing iIreland to increase its corporation tax. The UK will be able to undercut them when we have left and overseas countries will pour into Britain. The EU I guess will become irrelevant both to the UK and the rest of the world.”

The EU is not forcing Ireland to increase its corporation tax. I've no doubt British corporation tax, and the public services it pays for, will be slashed after Brexit because that's what happens when you have Brexit presided over by the Tory party.
The infidel
26-12-2016
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“The EU is not forcing Ireland to increase its corporation tax. I've no doubt British corporation tax, and the public services it pays for, will be slashed after Brexit because that's what happens when you have Brexit presided over by the Tory party.”

So....the EU's intervention in this matter is .......good for Ireland?
Cheetah666
26-12-2016
Originally Posted by The infidel:
“So....the EU's intervention in this matter is .......good for Ireland?”

Are you talking about the Apple ruling? That's under appeal to the ECJ, but it looks to me as if the EU commission is using competition rules to make a grab for money that should rightly be taxed in the US. It has nothing to do with Ireland's corporation tax rate anyway.
Mark_Jones9
26-12-2016
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“The EU is not forcing Ireland to increase its corporation tax. I've no doubt British corporation tax, and the public services it pays for, will be slashed after Brexit because that's what happens when you have Brexit presided over by the Tory party.”

Germany and France have proposed EU harmonisation of corporation tax rates. The UK has always threatened to veto such proposals.
Cheetah666
26-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Jones9:
“Germany and France have proposed EU harmonisation of corporation tax rates. The UK has always threatened to veto such proposals.”

And so has Ireland. Even the useless Enda would veto any such proposals.
Mark_Jones9
26-12-2016
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“And so has Ireland. Even the useless Enda would veto any such proposals.”

The UK has a opt out on economic and monetary union. Ireland does not.

If Ireland can veto depends on how its introduced.

Article 93 of the Treaty of European Union requires the:
…harmonisation of legislation concerning turnover taxes, excise duties and other forms of indirect taxation to the extent that such harmonisation is necessary to ensure the establishment and the functioning of the internal market.

Article 96 of the EU Treaty permits EU action where the legal or administrative rules of a Member State distort competition within the EU. Legislation can be adopted under Article 96, via qualified majority voting. No veto for Ireland.

The EU Commission has previously said:
"The Commission cannot, as guardian of the treaties, be lenient on infringements in the tax field... In this context, it may also be recalled that Article 96 of the Treaty provides a legal basis for the Commission to take action to deal with distortions of competiton in the internal market, including proposing directives, which may be adopted by qualified majority"

The ECJ could also be a means to tax harmonisation through its interpretation of the treaty.
Cheetah666
26-12-2016
Corporation tax is a red line issue for all the main political parties in Ireland, Mark. Its either vetoed, or Ireland would walk. Its not going to happen though, because Ireland's corporation tax might be a British obsession but we're not the only country in the EU that would vote against harmonisation. It wouldn't pass with QMV either.
mRebel
26-12-2016
Originally Posted by ireland2day:
“It's six months since the vote and recent official Irish economic data shows the Irish economy has not slowed. In fact EU data only last week reported that Ireland would again enjoy being the European Union's fastest performing economy again. That's three years in a row. Not bad, not bad at all.”

Britain is the second biggest contributor to the EU budget. Any ideas on whose going to pay Ireland's farmers when we leave, and the CAP is underfunded?
Cheetah666
26-12-2016
Originally Posted by mRebel:
“Britain is the second biggest contributor to the EU budget. Any ideas on whose going to pay Ireland's farmers when we leave, and the CAP is underfunded?”

Your budget contribution will be easily replaced between 27 countries each paying a proportional share. That's a trivial issue to everybody other than Brexiters.
Video Nasty
26-12-2016
Originally Posted by The infidel:
“....apart from the collapse in its economy caused by membership of the Euro. Wait until the EU orders Ireland to collect £13billion in unpaid corporation tax! Ouch!”

We really dodged the bullet on the Euro. Madness to think that some people would still sign us up for it if given half a chance.

Didn't the "financial experts" also predict economic Armageddon if we didn't jump onboard?
Video Nasty
26-12-2016
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“Your budget contribution will be easily replaced between 27 countries each paying a proportional share. That's a trivial issue to everybody other than Brexiters.”

Yeah I can see that going down well with remaining member states. Especially those already in a poor financial state.
andykn
26-12-2016
Originally Posted by Video Nasty:
“We really dodged the bullet on the Euro. Madness to think that some people would still sign us up for it if given half a chance.

Didn't the "financial experts" also predict economic Armageddon if we didn't jump onboard?”

No, but our economy is now about 1.20/1.60 the size it would have been if we'd joined the Euro at the start.
MTUK1
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by ireland2day:
“In the last 24 hours we have had very interesting comments from Wilbur Ross, close aid to Donald Trump and a man who sees $$$ signs at any available opportunity.
This is a man who made a killing in Ireland in recent years.
And he is out for more for his country with a plan to expoilt isolated Britain, but he has gone further and said Dublin can also feed off this British carcass.

Not only that, at a recent world summit, Theresa May received the cold shoulder from Japan and India, and who can forget the recent events at an EU summit, Theresa May all alone on the sidelines.

You've got Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt and Warsaw touting for UK business on a daily basis now. The head of the IDA, agency responsible for Irish FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) Martin Shanahan has being all over America and their news and business news networks exploiting Brexit by empathising Ireland remains open for business to lure more American FDI here and exploiting Brexit.

2016 is the year Britain turned to isolationalism and was on the end of many global cold shoulders.”

Yawn. Haven't you got anything better to do tell on Boxing Day?
MTUK1
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“Your budget contribution will be easily replaced between 27 countries each paying a proportional share. That's a trivial issue to everybody other than Brexiters.”

Laughable. who's going to pay for it? The dynamic stunnng powerhouses of Latvia and Slovakia?
MTUK1
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“Its no more than you owe us given that we were a net contributor to the UK for over a hundred years. Many of your roads and railways were as a consequence built with Irish money, so what goes around comes around.”

We don't owe you a penny for gods sake. I'm writing my letter now to Italy to demand compo for the Roman invasion
Wolfman13
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“Its no more than you owe us given that we were a net contributor to the UK for over a hundred years. Many of your roads and railways were as a consequence built with Irish money, so what goes around comes around.”

If you were stupid enough to be invaded and not defend your own lands then you deserve to be conquered we owe you nothing.
Aye Up
27-12-2016
If Ireland thinks its going to get away with the shit it does now, it has another thing coming. It was Britain that stood up for Ireland when their economy hit the slammer, Britain and Sweden were the only two countries to provide bilateral loans without stringent conditions attached. The low tax haven status of Ireland will be under threat when we leave, not only will we be competitive, you can guarrantee the EC will drive through channges to tax. Now I know the arguement will be that tax is a domestic issue.......it won't remain that way as compentencies transfer to Brussels.

I'm not saying Ireland won't continue to be a success, it will be amongst the biggest lowers when we do Brexit.....they are our largest bilateral trading partner in the EU.......where we buy more from them, than they do us.
MTUK1
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aye Up:
“If Ireland thinks its going to get away with the shit it does now, it has another thing coming. It was Britain that stood up for Ireland when their economy hit the slammer, Britain and Sweden were the only two countries to provide bilateral loans without stringent conditions attached. The low tax haven status of Ireland will be under threat when we leave, not only will we be competitive, you can guarrantee the EC will drive through channges to tax. Now I know the arguement will be that tax is a domestic issue.......it won't remain that way as compentencies transfer to Brussels.

I'm not saying Ireland won't continue to be a success, it will be amongst the biggest lowers when we do Brexit.....they are our largest bilateral trading partner in the EU.......where we buy more from them, than they do us.”

Something the Irish posters on here forget, is that Britain has always been an ally in the EU. They will be pushed around even more once we go. Yet, the posters on here make us out to be Devils.
IWasBored
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by ireland2day:
“In the last 24 hours we have had very interesting comments from Wilbur Ross, close aid to Donald Trump and a man who sees $$$ signs at any available opportunity.
This is a man who made a killing in Ireland in recent years.
And he is out for more for his country with a plan to expoilt isolated Britain, but he has gone further and said Dublin can also feed off this British carcass.

Not only that, at a recent world summit, Theresa May received the cold shoulder from Japan and India, and who can forget the recent events at an EU summit, Theresa May all alone on the sidelines.

You've got Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt and Warsaw touting for UK business on a daily basis now. The head of the IDA, agency responsible for Irish FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) Martin Shanahan has being all over America and their news and business news networks exploiting Brexit by empathising Ireland remains open for business to lure more American FDI here and exploiting Brexit.

2016 is the year Britain turned to isolationalism and was on the end of many global cold shoulders.”

That's nice
IWasBored
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by ireland2day:
“So who are Britain's friends heading into 2017?
And will Liam Fox actually get to strike any trade deals?
It all looks very gloomy for the UK. Britain really is heading for the isolation corner.

Billy No Mates springs to mind.”

Perhaps Britain can join a book club or something? I am reading City by the late American science fiction author Clifford Simak. It's absolutely fantastic. I came on here for a break after the forth tale. It keeps on getting better.

I have just discovered these new presants on the sidebar.
Cheetah666
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Wolfman13:
“If you were stupid enough to be invaded and not defend your own lands then you deserve to be conquered we owe you nothing.”

Countries don't get invaded because they're stupid but because they're smaller than the more savage and aggressive country who invades them. And we did defend ourselves many times, that's why Ireland has such a violent history. Your country had no right to be here, no right to take a penny off us, and certainly no right to complain about the EU paying us structural funds now.
Cheetah666
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aye Up:
“If Ireland thinks its going to get away with the shit it does now, it has another thing coming. It was Britain that stood up for Ireland when their economy hit the slammer, Britain and Sweden were the only two countries to provide bilateral loans without stringent conditions attached. The low tax haven status of Ireland will be under threat when we leave, not only will we be competitive, you can guarrantee the EC will drive through channges to tax. Now I know the arguement will be that tax is a domestic issue.......it won't remain that way as compentencies transfer to Brussels.

I'm not saying Ireland won't continue to be a success, it will be amongst the biggest lowers when we do Brexit.....they are our largest bilateral trading partner in the EU.......where we buy more from them, than they do us.”

Nonsense on stilts. Ireland is not going to sign up to tax harmonisation, and you do not buy more from us than we buy from you, get your facts right. We're one of the few EU countries that has a trade deficit with the UK.
Cheetah666
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Laughable. who's going to pay for it? The dynamic stunnng powerhouses of Latvia and Slovakia?”

All 27 countries will increase their contribution proportionately. We've already calculated ours, its about 200 million which is a drop in the ocean in budgetary terms. Your EU contribution is a big deal to you, its not to the rest of the EU.
MTUK1
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“All 27 countries will increase their contribution proportionately. We've already calculated ours, its about 200 million which is a drop in the ocean in budgetary terms. Your EU contribution is a big deal to you, its not to the rest of the EU.”

All? Even the majority of countries that are net beneficiaries? Doubt it. I
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