Originally Posted by IWasBored:
“That's nice”
“That's nice”
Did you mean that in the Mrs Brown sense?
Six months post Brexit and the picture is clear,Britain is heading for isolationalism
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The only way Britain could be headed for isolationism is if others do the isolating which would say more about them than the UK.
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“All? Even the majority of countries that are net beneficiaries? Doubt it. I”
“All? Even the majority of countries that are net beneficiaries? Doubt it. I”
Yes, dear, all 27 means all 27. God only knows what's so difficult about the concept of all 27 chipping in to make up the shortfall from Brexit that I've had to repeat it three times now. Its hardly rocket science - one country leaves and all the remaining members budget contributions go up slightly to replace their membership fee.
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“The only way Britain could be headed for isolationism is if others do the isolating which would say more about them than the UK.”
“The only way Britain could be headed for isolationism is if others do the isolating which would say more about them than the UK.”
It's quite rare though for countries to withdraw from trading blocs or international unions. It can in no way be compared to a country gaining its independence and going it alone as Farage and Boris claimed. If you're withdrawing from a 28 strong economic / political union, you are definitely isolating yourself, there are no two ways about it.
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“Yes, dear, all 27 means all 27. God only knows what's so difficult about the concept of all 27 chipping in to make up the shortfall from Brexit that I've had to repeat it three times now. Its hardly rocket science - one country leaves and all the remaining members budget contributions go up slightly to replace their membership fee.”
“Yes, dear, all 27 means all 27. God only knows what's so difficult about the concept of all 27 chipping in to make up the shortfall from Brexit that I've had to repeat it three times now. Its hardly rocket science - one country leaves and all the remaining members budget contributions go up slightly to replace their membership fee.”
And you live in a delusion that all 27 nations contribute their fair share? In reality it's very few that are bet contributors. The rest unashamedly leech off us.
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“It's quite rare though for countries to withdraw from trading blocs or international unions. It can in no way be compared to a country gaining its independence and going it alone as Farage and Boris claimed. If you're withdrawing from a 28 strong economic / political union, you are definitely isolating yourself, there are no two ways about it.”
“It's quite rare though for countries to withdraw from trading blocs or international unions. It can in no way be compared to a country gaining its independence and going it alone as Farage and Boris claimed. If you're withdrawing from a 28 strong economic / political union, you are definitely isolating yourself, there are no two ways about it.”
Which other blocks in the world are political unions apart fro the EU?
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“And you live in a delusion that all 27 nations contribute their fair share? In reality it's very few that are bet contributors. The rest unashamedly leech off us.”
“And you live in a delusion that all 27 nations contribute their fair share? In reality it's very few that are bet contributors. The rest unashamedly leech off us.”
Yeah, yeah. All EU members contribute to the EU budget, and EEA members also pay a membership fee to belong to the single market. When one member leaves, the others will up their contributions by a proportionate share to make up the shortfall and carry on as normal. Nobody in the EU is at all concerned about the UK's membership fee, the only people who ever obsess about it are Brexiters.
You know all those bailouts certain parts of the British media never stop banging on about, you would think the same media would understand that Britain's contribution will not be difficult to muster up between the remaining 27 members.
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“Yeah, yeah. All EU members contribute to the EU budget, and EEA members also pay a membership fee to belong to the single market. When one member leaves, the others will up their contributions by a proportionate share to make up the shortfall and carry on as normal. Nobody in the EU is at all concerned about the UK's membership fee, the only people who ever obsess about it are Brexiters.”
“Yeah, yeah. All EU members contribute to the EU budget, and EEA members also pay a membership fee to belong to the single market. When one member leaves, the others will up their contributions by a proportionate share to make up the shortfall and carry on as normal. Nobody in the EU is at all concerned about the UK's membership fee, the only people who ever obsess about it are Brexiters.”
Completely ignoring the fact that net beneficiaries are not contributing. The only people contributing are net contributors.
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Which other blocks in the world are political unions apart fro the EU?”
“Which other blocks in the world are political unions apart fro the EU?”
All of them have a political element to some extent. The EU is further along that path than the others because its been around longer.
Originally Posted by ireland2day:
“You know all those bailouts the British media never stop banging on about, you would think the same media would understand that Britain's contribution will not be difficult to muster up between the remaining 27 members.”
“You know all those bailouts the British media never stop banging on about, you would think the same media would understand that Britain's contribution will not be difficult to muster up between the remaining 27 members.”
See #84.
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“All of them have a political element to some extent. The EU is further along that path than the others because its been around longer.”
“All of them have a political element to some extent. The EU is further along that path than the others because its been around longer.”
No they don't. Laws in the US are not made in Ottawa. And laws in Canada are not made in Washington.
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Completely ignoring the fact that net beneficiaries are not contributing. The only people contributing are net contributors.”
“Completely ignoring the fact that net beneficiaries are not contributing. The only people contributing are net contributors.”
Okay I see I'll have to explain it slowly. Here's what happens...
1) All EU members and EEA members pay their contribution into the EU pot
2) The budget - CAP payments, structural funds, salaries and pensions, etc - is worked out by the Commission, then approved by the Council and voted on by the EU parliament.
3) The monies are then distributed from the EU budget as agreed.
4) If one member that's currently paying in to the pot leaves, the budget stays the same and every remaining member pays a proportionate share of the shortfall on top of their existing contribution.
5) That will probably mean that some countries who are now net beneficiaries will become net contributors, (almost certainly in Ireland's case).
6) The EU will carry on just fine without the member that left.
Get it now?
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“No they don't. Laws in the US are not made in Ottawa. And laws in Canada are not made in Washington.”
“No they don't. Laws in the US are not made in Ottawa. And laws in Canada are not made in Washington.”
No, but Ottawa, Washington and other members of NAFTA do get together and agree common laws on such things as minimum standards for goods and services that they trade, just as the Council of Ministers do in the EU.
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“No, but Ottawa, Washington and other members of NAFTA do get together and agree common laws on such things as minimum standards for goods and services that they trade, just as the Council of Ministers do in the EU.”
“No, but Ottawa, Washington and other members of NAFTA do get together and agree common laws on such things as minimum standards for goods and services that they trade, just as the Council of Ministers do in the EU.”
There's only one other member of NAFTA apart from the two mentioned. So the answer is no. It's not political union.
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“There's only one other member of NAFTA apart from the two mentioned. So the answer is no. It's not political union.”
“There's only one other member of NAFTA apart from the two mentioned. So the answer is no. It's not political union.”
No its not a political union, but like every other trading bloc it has an element of political integration involved. You can't really manage a trading bloc without some harmonisation of laws.
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“No its not a political union, but like every other trading bloc it has an element of political integration involved. You can't really manage a trading bloc without some harmonisation of laws.”
“No its not a political union, but like every other trading bloc it has an element of political integration involved. You can't really manage a trading bloc without some harmonisation of laws.”
There are no blocks in the world apart from the EU that infringe on every aspect of citizens lives. That's why it's destined to fail.
Originally Posted by The infidel:
“The whole EU project is heading for collapse.”
“The whole EU project is heading for collapse.”
That's hilarious, a sentiment the Daily Express have been reporting every week for the last God knows how many years.
Any idea when this collapse is happening?
This week? This year? Next year? This decade?
Originally Posted by ireland2day:
“That's hilarious, a sentiment the Daily Express have been reporting every week for the last God knows how many years.
Any idea when this collapse is happening?
This week? This year? Next year? This decade?”
“That's hilarious, a sentiment the Daily Express have been reporting every week for the last God knows how many years.
Any idea when this collapse is happening?
This week? This year? Next year? This decade?”
Not long. The whole edifice is crumbling. Mad merkel and her free for all in immigration, Italy and its forthcoming banking collapse. Us Leaving. Life is rosy in your beloved EU.
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“4) If one member that's currently paying in to the pot leaves, the budget stays the same and every remaining member pays a proportionate share of the shortfall on top of their existing contribution.”
“4) If one member that's currently paying in to the pot leaves, the budget stays the same and every remaining member pays a proportionate share of the shortfall on top of their existing contribution.”
That will not happen.
Either the EU will somehow persuade the UK to make EU payments after leaving so the EU can honour its planned future spending or a new EU budget with lower spending will be made. Existing EU member states will simply not agree to making up the shortfall created by the UK leaving. For most member states it would be hundreds of millions of euros, for some it would be in excess of a billion euros,
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Not long. The whole edifice is crumbling. Mad merkel and her free for all in immigration, Italy and its forthcoming banking collapse. Us Leaving. Life is rosy in your beloved EU.”
“Not long. The whole edifice is crumbling. Mad merkel and her free for all in immigration, Italy and its forthcoming banking collapse. Us Leaving. Life is rosy in your beloved EU.
”
I see no real appetite from the people's of the remaining 27 to leave.
Italy won't have a banking collapse.
And after the chaos, confusion and isolationalism that is now engulfing Britain post the Brexit vote, there'll be an even more steely resolute from EU members to keep the project together, after all too much political capital and time has gone into it to see it fail.
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“Okay I see I'll have to explain it slowly. Here's what happens...
1) All EU members and EEA members pay their contribution into the EU pot
2) The budget - CAP payments, structural funds, salaries and pensions, etc - is worked out by the Commission, then approved by the Council and voted on by the EU parliament.
3) The monies are then distributed from the EU budget as agreed.
4) If one member that's currently paying in to the pot leaves, the budget stays the same and every remaining member pays a proportionate share of the shortfall on top of their existing contribution.
5) That will probably mean that some countries who are now net beneficiaries will become net contributors, (almost certainly in Ireland's case).
6) The EU will carry on just fine without the member that left.
Get it now?”
“Okay I see I'll have to explain it slowly. Here's what happens...
1) All EU members and EEA members pay their contribution into the EU pot
2) The budget - CAP payments, structural funds, salaries and pensions, etc - is worked out by the Commission, then approved by the Council and voted on by the EU parliament.
3) The monies are then distributed from the EU budget as agreed.
4) If one member that's currently paying in to the pot leaves, the budget stays the same and every remaining member pays a proportionate share of the shortfall on top of their existing contribution.
5) That will probably mean that some countries who are now net beneficiaries will become net contributors, (almost certainly in Ireland's case).
6) The EU will carry on just fine without the member that left.
Get it now?”
I can't see anything about our in excess of £2 billion contribution which would surely rise to £3 billion within a year or two.
Scotland needs to get out of the UK. An obsolete unequal union where the larger part decided to set itself on fire and jump off a cliff singing 'Rule Britannia'. Ugly visceral nationalism at its worst. You can see the way our EU neighbours are thinking regarding Scotland going by the President of the European Commission reactions -
Salmond -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWarq3_moTY
May -
https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/st...25242062151680
Once the reality of the Brexit negotiations hit; we'll be off.
Salmond -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWarq3_moTY
May -
https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/st...25242062151680
Once the reality of the Brexit negotiations hit; we'll be off.
Originally Posted by zarkov:
“Scotland needs to get out of the UK. An obsolete unequal union where the larger part decided to set itself on fire and jump off a cliff singing 'Rule Britannia'. Ugly visceral nationalism at its worst. You can see the way our EU neighbours are thinking regarding Scotland going by the President of the European Commission reactions -
Salmond -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWarq3_moTY
May -
https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/st...25242062151680
Once the reality of the Brexit negotiations hit; we'll be off.”
“Scotland needs to get out of the UK. An obsolete unequal union where the larger part decided to set itself on fire and jump off a cliff singing 'Rule Britannia'. Ugly visceral nationalism at its worst. You can see the way our EU neighbours are thinking regarding Scotland going by the President of the European Commission reactions -
Salmond -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWarq3_moTY
May -
https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/st...25242062151680
Once the reality of the Brexit negotiations hit; we'll be off.”
No you won't. Firstly, you're subsidized to the hilt by England. So you're onto a nice little earner. And secondly, leaving the UK and re joining the EU would not make you independent in the slightest. In fact, you'd be less independent than you are now.
Originally Posted by ireland2day:
“Italy won't have a banking collapse.”
“Italy won't have a banking collapse.”
Would you buy shares in Banca Monte dei Paschi di Siena?
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