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Six months post Brexit and the picture is clear,Britain is heading for isolationalism
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MTUK1
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by ireland2day:
“I see no real appetite from the people's of the remaining 27 to leave.
Italy won't have a banking collapse.
And after the chaos, confusion and isolationalism that is now engulfing Britain post the Brexit vote, there'll be an even more steely resolute from EU members to keep the project together, after all too much political capital and time has gone into it to see it fail.”

Italy won't have a banking collapse? thanks for that. April 1 has come early.
andykn
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Jones9:
“Would you buy shares in Banca Monte dei Paschi di Siena?”

No, but plenty of people are.
ireland2day
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Jones9:
“Would you buy shares in Banca Monte dei Paschi di Siena?”

I'm not saying the Italian banking sector will not face hurdles but it will be nothing like the apocalyptic collapse some are talking about. It will be manageable and blow over just like the Spanish banking sector issues did.
zarkov
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“No you won't. Firstly, you're subsidized to the hilt by England. So you're onto a nice little earner. And secondly, leaving the UK and re joining the EU would not make you independent in the slightest. In fact, you'd be less independent than you are now.”

Firstly - rubbish

Secondly - nonsense

But, just you keep on drinking the same stuff as Farage and I'm sure it will all work out for you.
MTUK1
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by zarkov:
“Firstly - rubbish

Secondly - nonsense

But, just you keep on drinking the same stuff as Farage and I'm sure it will all work out for you.”

Can you elaborate? Even your own government says you get £1000 more a head per year than the rest of the U.K. And please explain how having the majority of your laws set in Brussels and using the Euro and being in Schengen if you joined the EU makes you independent?
MTUK1
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by ireland2day:
“I'm not saying the Italian banking sector will not face hurdles but it will be nothing like the apocalyptic collapse some are talking about. It will be manageable and blow over just like the Spanish banking sector issues did.”

Completely ignoring the question. How convienient. the bank in question has collapsed already.
MTUK1
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by andykn:
“No, but plenty of people are.”

Really? Your evidence for this is?
zarkov
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Can you elaborate? Even your own government says you get £1000 more a head per year than the rest of the U.K. And please explain how having the majority of your laws set in Brussels and using the Euro and being in Schengen if you joined the EU makes you independent?”

Here is a wee example of what independence really means -

France - We are going to war and you are all coming with us!

Other EU countries - No, we are fine thanks all the same.

UK (England) - We are going to war and you are all coming with us!

Scotland, Wales and NI - Guess we are going to war then.

Don't equate EU membership with being in the UK. Ridiculous comparison.
MTUK1
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by zarkov:
“Here is a wee example of what independence really means -

France - We are going to war and you are all coming with us!

Other EU countries - No, we are fine thanks all the same.

UK (England) - We are going to war and you are all coming with us!

Scotland, Wales and NI - Guess we are going to war then.

Don't equate EU membership with being in the UK. Ridiculous comparison.”

So you haven't answered the question? Or you can't answer the question? Or you don't want to answer the question?
Eurostar
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Can you elaborate? Even your own government says you get £1000 more a head per year than the rest of the U.K. And please explain how having the majority of your laws set in Brussels and using the Euro and being in Schengen if you joined the EU makes you independent?”

Are Iceland and Norway independent? Both outside the EU but inside the Single Market, have full freedom of movement with the EU and large Polish populations who arrived recently. I'm sure they would argue they are simply living in the real world of 2016, not some notional 1930s view of "sovereign nations".
Ovalteenie
27-12-2016
The fact that Article 50 has still not been triggered 6 months on suggests that the government is seriously worried and uncertain. If it was the other way round and we'd just voted to join the EU, I doubt it would take this long to trigger accession talks.
zarkov
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“So you haven't answered the question? Or you can't answer the question? Or you don't want to answer the question?”

I thought that was the official Brexit policy nowadays...
MTUK1
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Are Iceland and Norway independent? Both outside the EU but inside the Single Market, have full freedom of movement with the EU and large Polish populations who arrived recently. I'm sure they would argue they are simply living in the real world of 2016, not some notional 1930s view of "sovereign nations".”

What's a notional 1930's view of a sovereign nation? One that 170 countries in the world adhere to?
MTUK1
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by zarkov:
“I thought that was the official Brexit policy nowadays...”

Yep, fourth post now, and you can't answer. I take it you don't actually know then?
MTUK1
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ovalteenie:
“The fact that Article 50 has still not been triggered 6 months on suggests that the government is seriously worried and uncertain. If it was the other way round and we'd just voted to join the EU, I doubt it would take this long to trigger accession talks.”

It does not suggest that in the slightest. Stop remoaning. We're going. Get over it.
ireland2day
27-12-2016
Aa one academic wrote in a newspaper recently in relation to Brexit, from empire to isolationism.
zarkov
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Yep, fourth post now, and you can't answer. I take it you don't actually know then?”

Eh, you are the one desperately defending the unknown here. Or is 'Brexit means Brexit' all you really need to know?
MTUK1
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by ireland2day:
“Aa one academic wrote in a newspaper recently in relation to Brexit, from empire to isolationism.”

Can you please explain how Brexit makes us isolationist? Will trade cease on the day we leave? I must have missed the fact we're on our way to signing free trade deals with a multitude of countries. But don't let that steer you away from your hatred of the British.
andykn
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Can you please explain how Brexit makes us isolationist? Will trade cease on the day we leave?”

That's not what isolationism means, try again.
MTUK1
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by zarkov:
“Eh, you are the one desperately defending the unknown here. Or is 'Brexit means Brexit' all you really need to know?”

Fifth post with no answer. I'll ask one last time. How does takingi the Euro, Joining Schengen and having most of your laws made in Brussels make you an independent nation?
MTUK1
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by andykn:
“That's not what isolationism means, try again.”

Can you answer that? Obviously not.
andykn
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Can you answer that? Obviously not.”

I obviously can't answer a question that makes no sense, I'll repeat, isolationism doesn't mean we won't trade.
zarkov
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by ireland2day:
“Aa one academic wrote in a newspaper recently in relation to Brexit, from empire to isolationism.”

Truly tragic. Don't think I've seen a more 'WTF video' this year than the pensioners living in Spain backing Brexit and moaning about immigration.

Strange strange people
ireland2day
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Can you please explain how Brexit makes us isolationist? Will trade cease on the day we leave? I must have missed the fact we're on our way to signing free trade deals with a multitude of countries. But don't let that steer you away from your hatred of the British.”

It is not certain at all the UK will be signing trade deals as the type of Brexit to be achieved is still unknown. Wasn't it Nick Clegg who wrote a few months ago that Liam Fox doesn't really have a job he just does not know it yet.
andykn
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Fifth post with no answer. I'll ask one last time. How does takingi the Euro, Joining Schengen and having most of your laws made in Brussels make you an independent nation?”

You have made that choice freely and can withdraw whenever you want to should you be prepared to accept the inevitable economic damage. The same way we did when we founded NATO, the UN, EFTA etc.
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