Again, you don't get to tell the SNP what they can and can't campaign for. If they want to push for another indy ref with a view to taking Scotland back into the EU they are perfectly entitled to. Tough if you don't like it.

It's very Brexit to deny democracy when it suits. Just like how they're determined to stop Parliament from getting a say.

Apparently a very, very, very flimsy referendum result gives them carte blanche to dictate!

Its the spoiled brat version of democracy.

Don't do it on the basis of independence then. It clearly isn't independence.

Jeez, Ashdown didn't promise that, he promised to eat his hat. However that doesn't alter the fact that the Tories were committed to a referendum if it was in their power. The Scottish people were told the Tories would hold a referendum and must have recognised the possibility of a leave vote if, indeed, it was important to their vote; they're another bunch of sore losers.

A flimsy election result? Don't you understand a majority. Even if 1 more person voted to leave that's a win for leave. It was a 4 % (2% with your maths) majority. Get over yourself. You lost, we're going.

They can do it on whatever basis they like, stop deluding yourself that you can dictate to people.

Yes I think you've already told us that and it now must be heading towards a thousand times.

I will say it again, in big bold letters. IT IS NOT INDEPENDENCE IF THEY REJOIN THE EU. What part of that don't you understand? So they are being disengenous at best and deceitful at worse by pretending it is.

Was it his hat? It would have been funnier if it was his underwear.

The Tories did not look like they were at all likely to win an overall majority up until the night of the election, hence it is completely unfair to say that the Scots must have been as thick as two short planks not to know an EU referendum was coming back in 2014. The No campaign clearly didn't predict it either, given they made such a big deal out of EU membership during the indy ref.

Personally I don't even think Cameron thought he would win an outright majority. I suspect he thought Nick Clegg would be there to save him from his promise of an EU referendum.

I don't care if you type it in big purple letters with yellow spots on, it doesn't make it true. Its merely your opinion, and its one that the SNP don't share. Therefore, they are entitled, in a democracy, to campaign for independence and EU membership if they wish. If the spoiled brat contingent among Brexiters don't like it, they'll just have to lump it.

For gods sake, you are trolling now. A referendum was announced in 2013. To completley deny the fact that a referendum on the EU could happen and it could be a leave vote would have been utterly stupid. There is no way anyone could have said that Dave Cam had no possibility whatsoever of getting a majority.

They are not campaigning to be democratic. They'd have a lot more respect if they wanted true independence with a currency and self government. I know you find it difficult to understand because Ireland has neither anymore.

So you need this explained to you again too, do you? Cameron's promise of an EU referendum in 2013 was contingent on winning an overall majority at the 2015 election. Hence, nobody could have known in 2014 that there would definitely be an EU referendum, and in fact, everybody at that stage was predicting that the Tories wouldn't win an overall majority, hence there would be no referendum.

Predicting is not the same as it will never happen. Don't you get it?

Was the EU Referendum FPTP? Was the result not decided on the overall popular vote? That is unlike the UK election results where the overall result is effectively decided by using FPTP in constituencies and then the Party or Parties with an overall majority takes power.

You're right. My mistake.

They don't need to "campaign to be democratic", they already live in a democracy which is why they can campaign for an independent Scotland and EU membership. The fact that it doesn't suit your definition of independence is neither here nor there.

Not the North Korea type of independence and sovereignty that you seem to favour, no.

Irrelevant. You started this whole conversation by claiming the Scots must have been as thick as two short planks if they didn't know an EU referendum would happen when they held their indy ref. As its now been pointed out to you numerous times, nobody knew that an EU referendum would happen at that stage because nobody thought the Tories would win an outright majority at the next election.

They're silly then. It was a possibility. Anyone who based their vote on it not happening wasn't exactly brain of Britain. .

I think you'll find it's yourselves in a North Korean style of independence. With no economic independence and being a province of Germany and Brussels.

Nobody raised Brexit as a possibility during the Scottish referendum. The No campaign even used the threat of being outside the EU as a reason to vote for staying in the UK.

It's OK, you can keep pulling up yeah buts and whatiffery but in the cold light of day, you got it wrong.

I got it right. Nobody, probably not even the leader of the Tory party, thought they would win an overall majority up until election night. If I'm wrong, prove it.