Yes, but you don't need to be a brain surgeon to realise it was possible they'll be a referendum.

Back in September 2014 it was seen as such a remote possibility that neither side raised it during the Scottish referendum, and nor did any political party involved in the debate.

Your whole perception is wrong, give up while you're losing.

More fool them then.

Ah, so it didn't affect the Indyref. That's cleared one thing up.

That means all the opinion pollster were also fools and all the members of every major political party. So in summary, you can hardly blame ordinary members of the public for not predicting it either.

Now now, don't be silly.

Opinion polls are fools. As shown that they got it wrong in the U.K. Election, The EU referendum and the US election.

All of which were held long after September 2014. I suppose you're going to insult the Scots for not knowing that back during their referendum too now.

There have been continuing calls for a referendum on the EU for over 25 years. The voters have as much insight as everyone else and opposition to Europe has been strong in England, and is not low profile in Scotland as the EU referendum confirmed. The fact that almost all political parties sidelined the possibility is a problem with the parties and not with the possibility of a referendum. UKIP have always been seeking a referendum. The EU parliamentary elections were before the Independence referendum so with UKIP becoming the largest party there there were certainly warning signs.

Now we can see why it was sidelined. The referendum has turned out to be a disaster and to be deeply divisive and toxic (and I would say exactly the same thing if the Remain side had narrowly won). It represents an absolute low point for the UK in the last ten years or so.

You're very optimistic. Maybe it'll work out as you think, but I doubt it. Germany paying out more for farmers in Poland and Greece isn't going to go down well with many German's. Rightly or wrongly, they are already pretty aggrieved.

While Ireland's gone from subjugation, by the British Empire, to subjugation by the ECB.

No we didn't. In 1975, two years after joining, we had a vote on leaving, and voted to stay. At that time there were nine members states, no single currency, and that's just two of the ways the EU has changed since we voted.

So when I made my vote back in September 2014 I should have made it on a possibility that something might happen, a tory Westminster win, that would lead to the potential of something else that might happen, a EU vote after the tory Westminster win, that would the lead to another potential outcome, a Brexit vote, after the Tories have an EU vote, after the Tories win an outright majority in the Westminster elections, six months later!

That no one was predicting!

Is that what you are suggesting?

The only time the EU was raised during the Scottish referendum was when we were told by the No campaign that the only way to remain in the EU, was to vote No!!!

Yep, you should. Not considering it was foolhardy at best. It was publicized the will be a referendum. There isn't really an excuse to say, that's not what I voted for. You as a country voted to stay in the U.K. We took the vote as the UK. We're leaving as the UK.

But that wasn't an EU in/out referendum for the Irish though. Certainly not a result that would have lead to an in/out one had the Irish not voted another twice on the same issue.

But it was not the EU way back then but the EEC.

And at the time of the EEC in/out referendum the EU the manner it is now was not well in the pipeline of the then EEC. It was only a trading block back thsn and behaved 100% like it

The EU the way it is now was only in consideration in the fag end of the 1980's.

All those 1980's EEC summits that the UK government were the only ones who voted against proposals every time did not look even 1 inch the EU let alone every inch the EU all along.

The EEC was certainly not the EU in everything but name ever since the UK joined.

For the UK to hace held referendums on all EEC then EU proposals "every step of the way" would have made the UK the laughing stock of the world long before the June 2016 EU in/out referendum when no other member was holding a referendum on any of these proposals anyway.

Hahaha. You are genuinely at the wind up.

No one could suggest that and be serious.

I'm deadly serious. I am not sure why people are having trouble with it? Did the prime minister of the country announce an EU referendum for a laugh?

Not having trouble with it at all. I just see it for the nonsense that it is.

In September 2014 the Prime Minister of the country had not called a EU referendum.

Don't be disengenous. He announced we will be having a referendum at some point in January 2013.

To further bolster your point he said in January 2013 he would push for a referendum by the END OF 2017 after having renegotiated Britain's membership. There were no conditions attached to that either, he said that would still be the case if there was another hung parliament too.

As long as we are clear that in September 2014 the Prime Minister had not called a EU referendum. You are clear on that?

In January 2013 the Prime Minister gave a speech in which he announced an in/out referendum should the Conservatives win the next UK General election. At that point the Conservatives were trailing Labour by a good distance, in the polls. There was nothing to suggest that the Tories would win a general election, never mind the UK vote Brexit.

Your continued insistence that Brexit should have been a major decider in the Scottish referendum is utter, utter, nonsense. As I have pointed out, the only time that the EU was mentioned we were told that the only guarentee of staying in the EU was to vote No.

Now, I have pandered to your silliness for too long on this issue.

I never said it should be a major decider. You did. I said that nobody can complain that we're leaving. The referendum was always on the horizon. Nobody can stick their fingers in their ears and pretend otherwise.