If you are going to allow people to visit for 3 month on holiday then how do you prevent them applying for jobs or being offered one while they were here? Would an EU citizen working here under your system be allowed to change jobs while here or would they be tied (indentured) to a particular employer?

Britain hasn't walked away now citing immigration as the main reason. That was one of the reasons for some. Other reasons are regaining control of your sovereignty. I know it's hard for you Irish to grasp because since joining the Euro, you have none.

Work for a contractor who supplies them where they are needed. It's how Eastern Europeans are employed in land/food industry anyway. As for holiday of course they'll come scouting for work. Got 3 months to get a job.

Well Theresa May did ask the EU to guarantee UK rights for those already living and working elsewhere in the EU so she could guarantee EU citizens rights for those here and the EU has refused out of hand, silly really as that can be handled before Article 50 or any negotiations.

I suspect the reason the EU cannot give that guarantee ahead of the negotiations after A50 is triggered is precisely because such matters would form part of the negotiations themselves. There is nothing to stop this being one of the very earliest items on the agenda for discussion. I'm guessing that their rules simply don't allow them to formally negotiate anything with a country which hasn't even triggered A50 (don't forget if A50 isn't triggered, there is no legal requirement for the UK to leave the EU).

Have you heard of a visa?
It's what people used to use before they thought that doing whatever they wanted without question was a human right.

Asylum seekers are not allowed to gain employment but people have been opening up spare rooms to them in my local region. It was on the news

Was that Yevette Cooper?

Of course they were being sarcastic. The word indigenous population was proof, since they are no indigenous British Celts left after mixing with the saxons, normans, French, Romans, etc, etc. Plus you could also tell that they were having a giraffe with the comment about 'taking their jobs ' when they were unemployed. They are unemployed then they have not got a job to take. Plus it wasn't very progressive

Edit, sorry I didn't understand your post at first. No she doesn't live up here. They have extended the scheme to wear side now as they have been inundated with calls from people with spare rooms

No, but she offered to open up her spare room to some.

This 63 year old voted to remain, but thanks for the generalisation.

Nobodies screwed up anything for young people. Unless young people are so dim, they can't fill in a visa waiver or apply for a visa?

The trend worldwide is to do away with the need for visas and we didn't need them for Europe prior to joining the EU. Making countries more open instead of them having a silo mentality helps avoid suspicion, conflicts and wars. Sadly the U.K. Is making a backward step.

Certainly it's a generalisation but when I look around at people I know, it's mainly the older generation who voted Leave. I'm older than you and voted Remain but unfortunately we are very much in the minority who voted to remain in our age group.

My Dad at 88 says he is the only person he knows of his generation who voted remain. It's a victory for the geriatrics.

Yes - they are expensive, time-consuming and bureaucratic both for employers and workers. It's hard to see who they benefit.

It really will be just guesswork for the next couple of years. At one end of the scale there's the "associate EU citizenship" idea at the other end you could likely need to find an employer willing to sponsor your visa

Working in IT I've had three jobs outside the UK / in the EU and interviewed for a couple more over the years. All were as far as I recall advertised on the basis of do not apply if you don't already have the right to work here. If associate citizenship is offered then I'd still have the chance at those roles. If it was at the sponsorship end then I doubt they would have finished reading my covering letter let alone my CV.

So depending on how it falls the market available to me will likely shrink in two years time. The upside for me however is day rates for my role in Frankfurt say have doubled in the last six months as the end of A90 will be a like a mini Y2K. On balance Ill take that

If you're in the position to do it - I'd say do it now.

Ireland fought for centuries to be a truly free and independent nation from the UK. And after all that in the space of 15 years it has just been relegated to a German province with a German currency, interest rates set by Germany (cos the ECB is run in their interests as they bankroll it), has experienced huge austerity as a result and subject to foreign regulation. It's only thanks to the UK they aren't in Schengen so still have some border controls.

Wolfe Tone, Collins and Parnell must be turning in their graves.

I thought the EU was going to allow UK citizens to apply for EU citizenship post-Brexit despite of course not being able to enter into negotiations before A50 is invoked.

You're correct.

That was a silly idea from the EU Lib Dems - it's unworkable and going nowhere as it would inevitably have to be reciprocal which would mean that we were still effectively in the EU.

The EU parliament afaik I know passed it and there was I believe no reciprocal arrangement attached to it. It made the EU's refusal to discuss the position of UK/EU citizens living either side of the Channel post Brexit even more silly.

Even the Guardian says there is basically no chance of this happening. Apologies for the scary picture of Guy Verhofstadt in full rant.

It would require a treaty change and all 27 nations to sign up.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ce-say-experts

Do you have any proof of this nonesense or are you just making it up as you go along ?
The vast majority of us are descended from the pre roman Celtic inhabitants.
The Romans, Normans, Huguenots etc etc... left very little genetic evidence that they were even here.
The Saxons, Angles, Vikings etc .. made a larger impact, but the original indigenous population is still the main ingredient of what makes us who we are today.