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I'm anti-Brexit not anti-British, unless in the brave new Brexit world to love Britain means to love Brexit and vice versa. And it's not being anti-British to point out the folly or Brexit and the damage it will do to other countries. Oh and playing the patriot card this early in the thread? Bit of a waste.
As for the rest of your post - wasn't scrapping/getting freedom from EU rules and regulations one of the driving forces for the Leave campaign? And if worker protections are scrapped, surely it is worth it to make Brexit a success? I thought Brexiters were willing to share the pain to make Britain great again? Or was the assumption that only immigrants and the 'metropolitan elite' would suffer? When the Govt said they would port over EU las, directives etc they did not say how long they would keep them in place. The UK will be increasingly competing against China, India etc after brexit and costs need to be reduced. The easiest ways to do that will be through eroding workers rights and wages. Still feeling like a winner? So, is Ireland going to suffer because of Brexit, or be the new financial superstar? |
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Doesn't CRD IV include capping banker and finance industry bonuses? No wonder why some want it scrapped.
And of course, we can trust Michael Give when to comes to how much can be saved (and spent on the NHS instead). |
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Clean Brexit sounds like the removal of troublesome "red tape" and the introduction of economic libertarian/anarcho capitalist principles into the UK. There's no way the Government would introduce their own replacements for workers rights and other protections which business leaders (who want to leave the EU) despise whilst advocating for cost savings - the only way to do that is smaller Government and Brexit gives an ample opportunity to introduce that.
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Fantasy economics.... made by the deceitful.... for the gullible. It doesn't take into account any offset of losses from no longer having free movement of goods, services & capital with our 31 closest neighbours (EU & EEA/EFTA), where just an 11% loss will cost us more than £24BN Nor does it take into account how long it will take to ratify these new trade deals, many of which will just cover goods and some services, but not financial services, capital, banking passport, etc (because you can only get these by being a member of a trade bloc, not via an FTA deal). Nor does it take into account how many current British companies could go bust as a result of being less competitive due to the removal of tariffs/taxes/quotas on foreign imports (from the countries/blocs we do new trade deals with), or how much tax revenue we'll lose in the short term before all these new trade deals are in place. Yes, there's potential for eventual gains, but there's also potential for immediate losses. Quote:
No, he just has no other argument.
and whether declining or not, the USA and EU are still the joint #1 economies in the world.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nominal)#Lists |
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What is due to happen to the federation of 50 states with a single currency called the USA's share of world trade?
And what's due to happen to ours by the same measure? |
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Fantasy economics.... made by the deceitful.... for the gullible.
It doesn't take into account any offset of losses from no longer having free movement of goods, services & capital with our 31 closest neighbours (EU & EEA/EFTA), where just an 11% loss will cost us more than £24BN Nor does it take into account how long it will take to ratify these new trade deals, many of which will just cover goods and some services, but not financial services, capital, banking passport, etc (because you can only get these by being a member of a trade bloc, not via an FTA deal). Nor does it take into account how many current British companies could go bust as a result of being less competitive due to the removal of tariffs/taxes/quotas on foreign imports (from the countries/blocs we do new trade deals with), or how much tax revenue we'll lose in the short term before all these new trade deals are in place. Yes, there's potential for eventual gains, but there's also potential for immediate losses. and whether declining or not, the USA and EU are still the joint #1 economies in the world.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nominal)#Lists |
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Clean Brexit sounds like the removal of troublesome "red tape" and the introduction of economic libertarian/anarcho capitalist principles into the UK. There's no way the Government would introduce their own replacements for workers rights and other protections which business leaders (who want to leave the EU) despise whilst advocating for cost savings - the only way to do that is smaller Government and Brexit gives an ample opportunity to introduce that.
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Doesn't CRD IV include capping banker and finance industry bonuses? No wonder why some want it scrapped.
And of course, we can trust Michael Give when to comes to how much can be saved (and spent on the NHS instead). |
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The Irish caucus need to make their minds up. Other threads, while decrying Brexit as a disaster for UK, tell us it will be brilliant for Ireland - you'd think it is going to be a new EU superpower with all the British businesses apparently queuing to move across the sea.
So, is Ireland going to suffer because of Brexit, or be the new financial superstar? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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The EU is growing, it has positive GDP growth. Telling lies doesn't help your argument.
As for your GDP point the EU accounted for 30 per cent of world GDP in 1980 - now it only accounts for 16 per cent. So its share has effectively halved while we have been members. Maybe instead of tying ourself to the 16 per cent that is declining we might have more of a future focusing on the 84 per cent that is growing relatively. |
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Er, we'll still be in the trading black called "Europe" y'know.
I didn't realize there were any trading blocks called Europe?
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Deary me. You'd think that the most of the 170 or so countries that are sensibly outside the EU don't have any workers rights. I mean how do those oppressive regimes of Australia and Canada cope with not having their employment laws set for them by the EU? What utter nonsense to say we're not capable of doing it.
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The poster referred to the EUs share of world trade!
The EU accounted for 30 per cent of world trade in 1980 - now it only accounts for 16 per cent. So its share has effectively halved while we have been members. Maybe instead of tying ourself to the 16 per cent that is declining we might have more of a future focusing on the 84 per cent that is growing relatively. |
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You've misunderstood, the current state of Brexit is an opportunity for those with vested interests to impose their own agenda. And looking into the people I follow on social networks who identify as libertarian, they're loving the sound of a Clean Brexit. This has nothing to do with the other countries outside of the EU.
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The EU is growing:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/euro...al-growth-rate I'm guessing you don't have a clue what CRD IV is. There's a reason that's the only one they put as an acronym. Still, what less regulated country do you aspire to be like? |
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So regulation that protects the environment and worker's rights is 'needless'?
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Even with WTO tariffs at 3% on all goods from the EU we'll still pay less then our membership fees for the EU disaster.
The average may be 3%, but EU WTO tariffs are 10% on cars, and between 20-40% on agriculture, and then there's customs, taxes and quotas on top..... Also bear in mind that we've had free trade with the vast bulk of these countries since 1960 (when we founded/joined the EFTA). And the extra tariffs & taxes will be paid by retailers and consumers, on top of their current taxes (income tax, NICs, Council tax, etc, won't be coming down for these people) - so it's an extra payment... The net EU membership fee is ~8bn (not £14.7bn, as falsely claimed in the article). If we lose less than 8bn, then fair enough. However, I'll believe that when I see it ![]() Don't get me wrong though, I'm not defending the EU or anything, I'm just criticising this ridiculous new report. |
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Deary me. You'd think that the most of the 170 or so countries that are sensibly outside the EU don't have any workers rights. I mean how do those oppressive regimes of Australia and Canada cope with not having their employment laws set for them by the EU? What utter nonsense to say we're not capable of doing it.
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Well said. Why let the euro economies have all the fun when we can create the biggest economic failure of them all, right here on the Sceptred Isle?
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Yes, I'm sure we can learn a lot about workers rights from India, Pakistan, the Middle East, Asia and Africa, even the USA.. Get real, for goodness sake. Or perhaps you are a wannabe workhouse and sweatshop manager!
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Clean Brexit sounds like the removal of troublesome "red tape" and the introduction of economic libertarian/anarcho capitalist principles into the UK. There's no way the Government would introduce their own replacements for workers rights and other protections which business leaders (who want to leave the EU) despise whilst advocating for cost savings - the only way to do that is smaller Government and Brexit gives an ample opportunity to introduce that.
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A federation of 50 states which is one great country. Sonething the EU will never be.
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You do know net non EU migration is higher than EU migration, don't you? How's that control playing with Joe Public?
And how do you think control of our fishing will be seen as a big success with Joe Public when the amount of fishing we do doesn't change? Don;t you think Joe Public will feel a bit cheated? And if we don't need a club to belong to you want to leave NATO, the UN, the Commonwealth? And the difference between EU and non EU migration is quite small. But I doubt you'll let people know that. |
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it is only declining because overall wealth creation from emerging markets is on the rise.
the US''s share of world output is in similar 'decline' But you knew that already, as I have told you that repeatedly. maybe you just have poor memory. |
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Even with WTO tariffs at 3% on all goods from the EU we'll still pay less then our membership fees for the EU disaster.
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