In the Brexit world, everything gets conflated.....EU and non EU migrant workers, refugees, asylum seekers, you name it.

One of the most disgraceful aspects of Farage's infamous refugee poster is that he was linking the migrant crisis of 2015 with Britain's membership of the EU, there is (and was) no connection between the two whatsoever.

Hahahaha. of course it was. Non EU immigration was supposed to be "tens of thousands" and EU immigration "uncontrolled".

You just want them to both spend months filling forms in? And who will pay to produce and process those forms? Brexit economics at its finest.

Yes there is. Mad Merkel let in over a million so called refugees 90% of which are not refugees in unchecked and with no security clearance. In 3-5 years, they will become EU citizens. She has destabilized the security of the EU with that disastrous action.

Nearly all of those migrants / refugees are still inside Germany. If they became German ctizens after five or ten years, why would they even want to move elsewhere in the EU?

No I want a streamlined process which doesn't favour baristas and fruit pickers from Sofia over a nurse from the Philippines.

You're very naive.

And who will pay for all this? Or you want to make it easier for non EU immigrants?

Anyone who applies for a visa will pay for it.

Ok, so you don't want UK fruit picked, because that Sofia fruit picker will just go elsewhere.

Good. We should get off our own backsides and have our own do those jobs.

Don't forget Vote Leave's attempt to suggest that Turkey was imminently going to join the EU, and with it, Schengen will be extended all the way to the borders with Syria and Iraq.

Absolutely dreadful campaigning. And people wonder why some want the result to be ignored!

So that'll be the end of the UK agriculture industry then, because it turns out that no one in the UK actually wants to go fruit or veg picking (especially not on the average pay).

This isn't the 1950s. Though it seems that Brexshitters are determined to try to take us back there.

And of course none of the remain campaign was lies and deceit at all was it?

Please link to where Vote Leave said the Asian country of Turkey was joining imminently?

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06...-talks-turkey/

I'm afraid I won't take the bait - it's a terrible example of false equivalency.

But I will say that "we will do article 50 immediately" is an absolutely insignificent lie compared to everything that Vote Leave and their ilk came out with.

Now I'm fully expecting a speech by Liz Truss: "And in December I'll be in China discussing the success of our coffin making industry!"

Nobody said that. And you can't answer again. Because you know that remain was full of as much bs as anyone.

Do you want to pick your own fruit? I'd certainly rather get someone from Sofia to do it.

Correct.

Absolutely! Cancel all pensions for the next 30 years to clear the national debt. It's about time pensioners started paying for themselves instead of sponging off their contributions.

Close all hospitals! Imagine the savings we would have but not having a health service, and the population numbers would fall too. It's about time people started performing surgery on themselves. Lazy B*ggers, expecting surgeons to do all the work.

you're entertaining, I'll give you that.

Missing the point again to suit your own remoaner narrative.

Up until 2012, EU net migration was still in the tens of thousands.

The latest official government report is:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...report/dec2016

Scroll down to Figure 2: Net Long-Term International Migration by citizenship, UK, 1975 to 2016

Net Migration
1995: Non-EU = 104k | EU = 23k (-51k Brits, Total = 76k)
1999: Non-EU = 179k | EU = 8k
2001: Non-EU = 213k | EU = 7k (-48k Brits, Total = 172k)
2004: Non-EU = 266k | EU = 87k (A8 year)
2008: Non-EU = 187k | EU = 63k (-87k Brits, Total = 163k)
2010: Non-EU = 217k | EU = 77k
2012: Non-EU: 157k | EU = 82k
2013: Non-EU: 142k | EU = 123k
2014: Non-EU: 194k | EU = 174k
2015: Non-EU: 189k | EU = 184k (-40k Brits | Total = 333k)
2016: Non-EU = 196k | EU = 189k (-49k Brits | Total = 336k)


There's the proof to show that EU net migration was still in the tens of thousands up until 2012, whilst non-EU net migration has been around the 200k mark ever since 1999.


The graphs are interactive, so there's no direct link to an image.
But for the purpose of ease/clarity, for proof, we can also use a link to the graph from the previous report...
https://www.ons.gov.uk/resource?uri=...6/55416447.png


Net migration has reached record levels under THIS government, more than double than it was under Labour !!!


Also note how emigration is down by over 100k since 2008, which massively effects the net migration figure:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/resource?uri=...6/00920326.png

Why does no-one mention this? Because it doesn't suit their agenda!


Also note figure 4: EU immigration to the UK, 2006 to 2016
https://www.ons.gov.uk/resource?uri=...6/2a15c919.png

Note how the highest number of EU immigrants (125k and 49% of all EU) are coming from the original 15 EU countries, whereas those coming from the 2004 A8 countries has been going down quite considerably, and even those coming from the 2012 accession countries (Ro & Bu) was negligible until 2 years ago (but has now risen to over 60k).


As for why EU and overall net migration has shot up under the Tories.....

In 2012, then Home Secretary Theresa May placed a 35k salary cap on non-EU workers, meaning that we could then only hire unskilled workers from the EU.

Since 2012, there's been a huge increase in UK Employment Agencies advertising jobs only in East Europe and mass-recruiting workers directly under ZHCs and apprenticeships

How British Employers Are Fuelling Romanian Immigration As Available Jobs Outstrip Number Of Candidates

The job agencies that prefer foreign workers

Why is Next hiring thousands of cheap Eastern European workers to staff English warehouse - in area where more than 200,000 are on the dole - before they even advertise the jobs here?

British workers snubbed by recruiters advertising jobs abroad

WANTED workers...but ONLY if you're POLISH: Migrants being offered work AHEAD of Britons

....and the cherry on top

Fast Recruitment Agency UK


More UK employment agencies who've been advertsising in and recruiting en masse directly from Eastern Europe over the past 2 or 3 years - thousands of unskilled jobs paying apprenticeship wages or ZHCs (though some are also skilled positions) - all contributing to the more than doubling of EU to UK net migration since 2012:

http://www.cestaffing.co.uk
http://www.recruitment.easterneuropeans.co.uk
http://easypoland.co.uk
http://www.csarecruitment.co.uk
http://www.my-resource.co.uk
http://www.agencycentral.co.uk


The only one who's said they'll put a stop to it is Corbyn, not that he's ever likely to be in a position to do anything about it. The Tories and/or any other neoliberal government, however, will never deny British employers (namely big business) a cheap source of labour. If they can't get them from the EU, then they'll just go back to getting them from the poorer Commonwealth countries instead.

If you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe Nick Timothy, former Chief of Staff to Theresa May, who's said that the Tories aren't really aiming to reduce immigration and are deliberately keeping it high to boost the economy:
http://www.conservativehome.com/thec...proved-it.html

How fortunate for them that they've been able to blame it all on the EU.
Who will they blame when they've run out of people/things to blame?
Maybe then, the British public will finally see them and their cohorts for what they really are!

Yes you did