Electoral fraud: Voters will have to show ID in pilot scheme
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Are they scrapping postal votes in this scheme because that's where there's the obvious opportunity to commit electoral fraud?
A solution in search of a problem. Looks as if the government have looked across the Pond to see how "successful" voter suppression is.
Wont it just affect the turnout as voters may give it a miss if they can't find the relevant documents
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“This is a good and necessary move to protect our democracy.”
“This is a good and necessary move to protect our democracy.”
How is discouraging people from voting protecting our democracy?
Schemes like this are politically motivated by the Tories to disenfranchise citizens who can't afford to have a passport or driving licence. Which party would they be most likely to vote for?
Originally Posted by Dotheboyshall:
“How is discouraging people from voting protecting our democracy?”
“How is discouraging people from voting protecting our democracy?”
Electoral fraud is a growing problem that needs to be tackled. Requiring people to show ID is a necessary step and one I have long championed.
If requiring people to prove they are who they claim to be discourages some people from voting then tough luck. At least we'll have more confidence the actual votes cast were genuine and not fraudulently obtained.
Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“But only in selected areas such as Bradford and Birmingham and where electoral fraud happens.”
“But only in selected areas such as Bradford and Birmingham and where electoral fraud happens.”
There's electoral fraud in all of Bradford and Birmingham?
Guess Pickles would know.
And has been pointed out this is a trial which will ultimately apply to everyone so no hiding behind your Con Central Office smugness.
It doesn't prevent postal fraud nor will it prevent 'encouraging' voters to vote one way.
Originally Posted by Lamparilla:
“Schemes like this are politically motivated by the Tories to disenfranchise citizens who can't afford to have a passport or driving licence. Which party would they be most likely to vote for?”
“Schemes like this are politically motivated by the Tories to disenfranchise citizens who can't afford to have a passport or driving licence. Which party would they be most likely to vote for?”
Scaremongering nonsense. The vast majority of people who are eligible to vote already have the necessary documentation to prove their identification. Asking them to carry it with them when going out to cast their vote is no burden.
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Electoral fraud is a growing problem that needs to be tackled. Requiring people to show ID is a necessary step and one I have long championed.
If requiring people to prove they are who they claim to be discourages some people from voting then tough luck. At least we'll have more confidence the actual votes cast were genuine and not fraudulently obtained.”
“Electoral fraud is a growing problem that needs to be tackled. Requiring people to show ID is a necessary step and one I have long championed.
If requiring people to prove they are who they claim to be discourages some people from voting then tough luck. At least we'll have more confidence the actual votes cast were genuine and not fraudulently obtained.”
Is there any evidence of increased voter fraud by people going to a polling station and illegally voting.
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Scaremongering nonsense. The vast majority of people who are eligible to vote already have the necessary documentation to prove their identification. Asking them to carry it with them when going out to cast their vote is no burden.”
“Scaremongering nonsense. The vast majority of people who are eligible to vote already have the necessary documentation to prove their identification. Asking them to carry it with them when going out to cast their vote is no burden.”
I agree, Pickles has a history of scaremongering nonsense.
Is there a list somewhere of people who were fraudulently elected? I hadn't realised there were quite so many.
I don't have photo ID, and I won't be looking to get it just so I can vote for the least worst option.
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Electoral fraud is a growing problem that needs to be tackled. Requiring people to show ID is a necessary step and one I have long championed.
If requiring people to prove they are who they claim to be discourages some people from voting then tough luck. At least we'll have more confidence the actual votes cast were genuine and not fraudulently obtained.”
“Electoral fraud is a growing problem that needs to be tackled. Requiring people to show ID is a necessary step and one I have long championed.
If requiring people to prove they are who they claim to be discourages some people from voting then tough luck. At least we'll have more confidence the actual votes cast were genuine and not fraudulently obtained.”
How many documented cases of fraud have there been at polling stations. Compare that to postal votes. Now tell me where the need for reform is.
Originally Posted by pork.pie:
“I don't have photo ID, and I won't be looking to get it just so I can vote for the least worst option.”
“I don't have photo ID, and I won't be looking to get it just so I can vote for the least worst option.”
Do you live in one of the trial areas then?
Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“Do you live in one of the trial areas then?”
“Do you live in one of the trial areas then?”
I have no idea, but trial can be the first step to something worse. I'm already somewhat put off by the choices now on offer, this would be the final insult. I don't think I'd return to voting even they later abandoned it. It's just a load of old bollocks.
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Scaremongering nonsense. The vast majority of people who are eligible to vote already have the necessary documentation to prove their identification. Asking them to carry it with them when going out to cast their vote is no burden.”
“Scaremongering nonsense. The vast majority of people who are eligible to vote already have the necessary documentation to prove their identification. Asking them to carry it with them when going out to cast their vote is no burden.”
The people most likely to not have a passport or other approved ID are coincidently the poor. The poor who disproportionately don't vote Conservative.
The poor are also coincidently the most likely to have been removed from the electoral roll by the change to individual's having to register to vote. That has resulted in a estimated 800,000 people being disenfranchised.
And before the next election we have changes to constituencies not done by population but by number of registered voters. That coincidently disproportionately reduces the number of Labour constituencies.
That the Conservatives get accused of voter suppression on the pretext of tackling fraud and gerrymandering the system is due to these coincidences. That coincidently resemble what the Republicans have done in the USA.
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Scaremongering nonsense. The vast majority of people who are eligible to vote already have the necessary documentation to prove their identification. Asking them to carry it with them when going out to cast their vote is no burden.”
“Scaremongering nonsense. The vast majority of people who are eligible to vote already have the necessary documentation to prove their identification. Asking them to carry it with them when going out to cast their vote is no burden.”
No they don't. What they need is a convenient identity card that will make voting easier! And if you've already got a passport, part of the fee was to pay for your ID card anyway.
But this sounds like the 'creeping compulsion' from Labour's ID Card proposal back to haunt us.
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“How many documented cases of fraud have there been at polling stations. Compare that to postal votes. Now tell me where the need for reform is.”
“How many documented cases of fraud have there been at polling stations. Compare that to postal votes. Now tell me where the need for reform is.”
Postal votes are showered on people like confetti. It is scandalous.
I applied for a postal vote many years ago because I was pregnant and the polling date could have coincided with my stay in the maternity unit. I had to fill in a form and then take it to my doctor for a signature confirming that my application met relevant requirements and then I had to return it to the appropriate body.
What is wrong with all those people who can't shift themselves a short distance down the road to vote? All political parties offer lifts to those who have no transport.
Originally Posted by Andrew1954:
“Another example of the misbehaviour of a small minority inconveniencing the law abiding majority.”
“Another example of the misbehaviour of a small minority inconveniencing the law abiding majority.”
I agree. This happens every time.
I expect someone will come along and start forging IDs
Originally Posted by bradybrady:
“Wont it just affect the turnout as voters may give it a miss if they can't find the relevant documents”
“Wont it just affect the turnout as voters may give it a miss if they can't find the relevant documents”
That's the whole idea.
Low turnout favours the incumbent.
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