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Electoral fraud: Voters will have to show ID in pilot scheme |
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Electoral fraud: Voters will have to show ID in pilot scheme
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Are they scrapping postal votes in this scheme because that's where there's the obvious opportunity to commit electoral fraud?
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A solution in search of a problem. Looks as if the government have looked across the Pond to see how "successful" voter suppression is.
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Wont it just affect the turnout as voters may give it a miss if they can't find the relevant documents
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This is a good and necessary move to protect our democracy.
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This is a good and necessary move to protect our democracy.
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Another example of the misbehaviour of a small minority inconveniencing the law abiding majority.
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But only in selected areas such as Bradford and Birmingham and where electoral fraud happens.
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As we saw how the police acted with Tower Hamlets this is a necessary step.
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Schemes like this are politically motivated by the Tories to disenfranchise citizens who can't afford to have a passport or driving licence. Which party would they be most likely to vote for?
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How is discouraging people from voting protecting our democracy?
If requiring people to prove they are who they claim to be discourages some people from voting then tough luck. At least we'll have more confidence the actual votes cast were genuine and not fraudulently obtained. |
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But only in selected areas such as Bradford and Birmingham and where electoral fraud happens.
Guess Pickles would know. And has been pointed out this is a trial which will ultimately apply to everyone so no hiding behind your Con Central Office smugness. It doesn't prevent postal fraud nor will it prevent 'encouraging' voters to vote one way. |
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Schemes like this are politically motivated by the Tories to disenfranchise citizens who can't afford to have a passport or driving licence. Which party would they be most likely to vote for?
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Electoral fraud is a growing problem that needs to be tackled. Requiring people to show ID is a necessary step and one I have long championed.
If requiring people to prove they are who they claim to be discourages some people from voting then tough luck. At least we'll have more confidence the actual votes cast were genuine and not fraudulently obtained. |
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Scaremongering nonsense. The vast majority of people who are eligible to vote already have the necessary documentation to prove their identification. Asking them to carry it with them when going out to cast their vote is no burden.
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Is there a list somewhere of people who were fraudulently elected? I hadn't realised there were quite so many.
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I don't have photo ID, and I won't be looking to get it just so I can vote for the least worst option.
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Electoral fraud is a growing problem that needs to be tackled. Requiring people to show ID is a necessary step and one I have long championed.
If requiring people to prove they are who they claim to be discourages some people from voting then tough luck. At least we'll have more confidence the actual votes cast were genuine and not fraudulently obtained. |
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I don't have photo ID, and I won't be looking to get it just so I can vote for the least worst option.
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Do you live in one of the trial areas then?
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Scaremongering nonsense. The vast majority of people who are eligible to vote already have the necessary documentation to prove their identification. Asking them to carry it with them when going out to cast their vote is no burden.
The poor are also coincidently the most likely to have been removed from the electoral roll by the change to individual's having to register to vote. That has resulted in a estimated 800,000 people being disenfranchised. And before the next election we have changes to constituencies not done by population but by number of registered voters. That coincidently disproportionately reduces the number of Labour constituencies. That the Conservatives get accused of voter suppression on the pretext of tackling fraud and gerrymandering the system is due to these coincidences. That coincidently resemble what the Republicans have done in the USA. |
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Scaremongering nonsense. The vast majority of people who are eligible to vote already have the necessary documentation to prove their identification. Asking them to carry it with them when going out to cast their vote is no burden.
But this sounds like the 'creeping compulsion' from Labour's ID Card proposal back to haunt us. |
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How many documented cases of fraud have there been at polling stations. Compare that to postal votes. Now tell me where the need for reform is.
I applied for a postal vote many years ago because I was pregnant and the polling date could have coincided with my stay in the maternity unit. I had to fill in a form and then take it to my doctor for a signature confirming that my application met relevant requirements and then I had to return it to the appropriate body. What is wrong with all those people who can't shift themselves a short distance down the road to vote? All political parties offer lifts to those who have no transport. |
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Another example of the misbehaviour of a small minority inconveniencing the law abiding majority.
I expect someone will come along and start forging IDs |
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Wont it just affect the turnout as voters may give it a miss if they can't find the relevant documents
Low turnout favours the incumbent. |
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