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Electoral fraud: Voters will have to show ID in pilot scheme |
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The people most likely to not have a passport or other approved ID are coincidently the poor. The poor who disproportionately don't vote Conservative.
The poor are also coincidently the most likely to have been removed from the electoral roll by the change to individual's having to register to vote. That has resulted in a estimated 800,000 people being disenfranchised. And before the next election we have changes to constituencies not done by population but by number of registered voters. That coincidently disproportionately reduces the number of Labour constituencies. That the Conservatives get accused of voter suppression on the pretext of tackling fraud and gerrymandering the system is due to these coincidences. That coincidently resemble what the Republicans have done in the USA. |
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People who are on the electoral register and who can provide a utility bill or any other correspondence confirming their address will be able to vote. People who want to vote will be eager to meet requirements. And they will have taken the couple of minutes required to get on the electoral register. Only lazy slobs and those who have no interest in voting will be missing.
As far as utility bills the poor are the most likely to not have utility bills in their own name. As they move more often and may live in someone else's household for example with family or friends or as a lodger. As far as individual registry the poor are also the most likely to not have received the letter notifying them that they had to register again or they would be removed from the electoral roll. For the above reasons. Also they are the most likely to have poor English literacy or disabilities effecting the ability to communicate. |
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Has the government listed what the accepted forms of ID will be?
As far as utility bills the poor are the most likely to not have utility bills in their own name. As they move more often and may live in someone else's household for example with family or friends or as a lodger. As far as individual registry the poor are also the most likely to not have received the letter notifying them that they had to register again or they would be removed from the electoral roll. For the above reasons. Frankly the tendency by some to portray "the poor" as a mass of ignorant helpless dimwits incapable of taking responsibility for themselves is insulting to them. |
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Everyone I know who doesn't have a passport or a driving licence as photo ID is over 70 and votes Tory...cut, face, spite, nose...arrange these words into a well known saying
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Everyone I know who doesn't have a passport or a driving licence as photo ID is over 70 and votes Tory...cut, face, spite, nose...arrange these words into a well known saying
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Then they can go to the council offices and register. Everyone has an NHS number which identifies them.
Frankly the tendency by some to portray "the poor as a mass of ignorant helpless dimwits incapable of taking responsibility for themselves is insulting to them. Most people I suspect do not even know their NHS number. |
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Has the government said people can use a NHS number as proof of ID? Link please to this list of approved forms of ID that the government has said will be accepted at polling stations implementing theses "anti-fraud" messures.
Most people I suspect do not even know their NHS number. Different councils will trial different types of photo ID, including driving licences, passports or utility bills to prove addresses. BBC site |
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But they have registered addresses obviously if they are voters don't they?
it just gets better and better
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But they have registered addresses obviously if they are voters don't they ? That means they are on the electoral register and will have council tax bills and the will have Benefits Agency ID card if they are claiming any form of benefit including state pension.?
My sibling is on welfare and has no such thing. |
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Yeah and a ton of them have registered addresses in care homes...and we know that there was significant under registration from these places when it moved to individual registration
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Only card I ever owned when unemployed was the one you filled in as "proof" that you were seeking employment.
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Easily obtained. You must know a lot of ignorant know nothing people.
Different councils will trial different types of photo ID, including driving licences, passports or utility bills to prove addresses. BBC site |
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Benefit agency ID card?
My sibling is on welfare and has no such thing. |
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Nonsense. Representatives of political parties regularly visit care homes and assist people in registering.
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So you just made up that NHS number would be accepted, and in some pilot areas utility bills might not be accepted if they require photo ID.
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Well everyone that I know has. Your sibling must have no end of correspondence with with BA that will have her personal details on it including NI and or NHS number and luckily she/he also has a brother who could help her/him getting the appropriate ID.
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So you just made up that NHS number would be accepted, and in some pilot areas utility bills might not be accepted if they require photo ID.
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I know quite a lot of disabled people who live in care homes who have never had such a visit.
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I think you're making this up as you go along. Almost entertaining.
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I think you're making this up as you go along. Almost entertaining.
Still waiting for evidence from "the defenders of democracy" of all this voter fraud at the polling booth. The majority of voter fraud accusations are usually linked to postal votes. |
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People who are on the electoral register and who can provide a utility bill or any other correspondence confirming their address will be able to vote..
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Well everyone that I know has. Your sibling must have no end of correspondence with with BA that will have her personal details on it including NI and or NHS number and luckily she/he also has a brother who could help her/him getting the appropriate ID.
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I hope Tower Hamlets is going to be included in the trial, it's about time we had a fair election in this borough.
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This of course benefits the Tories over Labour, their supporters tend to be wealthier and are therefore more likely to have some form of acceptable ID. If the Government wants to do this (and also if they want to require ID to use the NHS) then there needs to be a form of free ID given to those who cannot afford to pay for it.
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I made nothing up.
Your link says different areas will accept different forms, does not mention NHS number and implies some areas will only accept photo ID. |
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