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Electoral fraud: Voters will have to show ID in pilot scheme |
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The Conservatives are engaged in widespread gerrymandering and it's Labour who need to be watched...
That's the sort of propaganda that is endless these days. People should be concerned about where this country is heading under the Conservatives and especially Theresa May. |
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What happens if Royal Mail tries to deliver a parcel and you are out and you have to collect from the Post Office? Or do you never leave the house (other than to vote).
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They interviewed some people abut this on the BBC yesterday. An Asian lady piped up that this wouldn't stop Asian voters being coerced into voting a certain way, and the interviewer didn't know how respond.
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Anything to discourage people from voting.
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I only have an old paper licence as I have lived at the same address for 26 years and have never had to update it.
I don't have a passport either for the very simple reason that I don't go abroad. |
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BIB: They just don't give a shit.
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If Pickles claims that ID will be "no more than would be required to pick a parcel up at the Post Office" and if it is likely that the appetite for tackling voter fraud will be limited to photo ID, then by that process of deliberation, provisional driving licences and PASS accredited ID will NOT be accepted as valid forms of photo ID - that'll make the forms of ID accepted very limited and costly. Just for clarification, the forms of ID accepted at the Post Office as Pickles claims:
http://www.postoffice.co.uk/mail/collection-services Labour are right to be concerned. i do not see why we need more ID anyway, we get a polling card through the post, so why can't we use that? |
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And i expect there are plenty of people like us. i know many people who do not drive and they may have had a passport, but have not bothered to renew it or just do not have a passport./
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Whats the big deal? Just bring your driving licence or passport. I agree with the government on this one.
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Get one. Don't be so helpless.
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Very simple, i would take bank statement council tax bill and other things like this with me, and say i have no form of photo ID, also you can tell them that in the uk there is no law which states every person must carry or have photo. And just remember the law says you need a passport to leave and enter the uk and the law says you need to driving licence to drive on uk roads. So if you dont do either you have no need for either. And just to add if you check on royal mail website it lists the forms of ID you can show, it does NOT say you must have photo ID
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I explain to my son who has just turned 18
People have died for the right for you to vote in elections in this country. I don't care who you vote for - but you WILL go and vote. If my parents said that when I was his age, i would not be happy. |
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Yes, people have died for people to have that right, but it is also the right of people not to vote, i think at 18 your son have the right to choose if he wants to vote or not.
If my parents said that when I was his age, i would not be happy. |
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Most companies issue photo ID...
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The only thing I need to pick a parcel up at the post office is the card that says a parcel is at the post office and my debit card to show who I am.
i do not see why we need more ID anyway, we get a polling card through the post, so why can't we use that? Perhaps I could borrow your debit card and pretend to be you. After all there is no photo on it so presumably it's ok for anyone to use it? |
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They interviewed some people abut this on the BBC yesterday. An Asian lady piped up that this wouldn't stop Asian voters being coerced into voting a certain way, and the interviewer didn't know how respond.
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I explain to my son who has just turned 18
People have died for the right for you to vote in elections in this country. I don't care who you vote for - but you WILL go and vote. |
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Is this opening the way for another debate on whether we should all carry ID cards? Please god, we aren't going to have to go through years of that debate again.
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Agreed - I'm encouraging my kids to vote when they turn 18, but they don't have to. Choosing the least bad option isn't something everyone wants to do, and if you live in a safe seat like I do, a protest vote isn't going to register
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Is this opening the way for another debate on whether we should all carry ID cards? Please god, we aren't going to have to go through years of that debate again.
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Is this opening the way for another debate on whether we should all carry ID cards? Please god, we aren't going to have to go through years of that debate again.
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What a nasty comment. There are many people that have unpredictable jobs and have no control over whether they will be a short walk from their polling station on a random Thursday. Far more people in this situation than everyone ever elected due to voter fraud.
You know full well that that is a real world actuality and not the result of a few people who can't find the time between 7am and 10pm to attend a polling station. Of course, if their circumstances require it, there's postal voting to. Or are you actually trying to claim your scenario for 'lets say' the 36% who didn't vote on a 64% turnout result? Put a % (a tiny one that is in reality) on your scenario and what would you call those that are left, I say they don't give shit. Let's go a stage further, 25% turnout for a Police & Crime Commisioner vote, did the other 75% all fall into your category or mine? Edit: Oh, and it's not a "random" Thursday either is it? Stop making things up as you go along 66. |
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And i expect there are plenty of people like us. i know many people who do not drive and they may have had a passport, but have not bothered to renew it or just do not have a passport./
I didn't get a passport until last year. |
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Is there a list somewhere of people who were fraudulently elected? I hadn't realised there were quite so many.
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Some people just do not give a shit about politics or voting. Nasty comment or an actual actuality 66? Well, which is it?
You know full well that that is a real world actuality and not the result of a few people who can't find the time between 7am and 10pm to attend a polling station. Of course, if their circumstances require it, there's postal voting to. Or are you actually trying to claim your scenario for 'lets say' the 36% who didn't vote on a 64% turnout result? Put a % (a tiny one that is in reality) on your scenario and what would you call those that are left, I say they don't give shit. Let's go a stage further, 25% turnout for a Police & Crime Commisioner vote, did the other 75% all fall into your category or mine? Edit: Oh, and it's not a "random" Thursday either is it? Stop making things up as you go along 66. And yes, it is a random Thursday. Do you really expect any employer to set rotas so that all employees can be at home on election days? |
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