Well, there was the famous accusation that the Tory's bussed in volunteers to campaign against Farage and "forgot" to declare the cost of all the hotel rooms and meals. Obviously this government is totally ignoring that sort of thing!!!



So no, the measures proposed will not prevent the problems most discussed after the last General Election.

Massive electoral fraud in Tower Hamlets which resulted in the Mayor being disbarred from office is enough for me to support this proposal. I fully believe the fraud is happening elsewhere too.

Does this proposal address the type of electoral fraud in TH, if it does would it stop this type of electoral fraud?

This proposal would stop false representation at the polling stations which has happened in Tower Hamlets.

In the 2014 Tower Hamlets Mayoral Election there were 164 allegations of fraud made to the police.

Changes were made and in the 2015 Tower Hamlets Mayoral Election there were no allegations of electoral fraud received by the police.

So with zero allegations of fraud in the 2015 Tower Hamlets Mayoral Election how is it justification?

The Met police along with the Electoral Commission have a long history of brushing electoral fraud in Tower Hamlets under the carpet, that is why four borough residents had to instigate a private prosecution against Lutfur Rahman. Even now the police will not bring a prosecution. I have no doubt electoral fraud still exists in the borough, but given the attitude of the authorities there would be little point in anybody reporting it.

Is there even a hint of evidence from you on any of these allegations?

Seems to me the answer is to send Tower Hamlets to the naughty step and not let them elect anyone for a few years, just send in some appointees to run the place, I'm sure that will be fine, then if they all promise to behave then they can be allowed to try voting again.
Unless it's a bad thing that everybody has to suffer the fallout as a result of the actions of a small number of miscreants?

1. No I didn't. I made comment regarding people who can't be arsed to vote by dragging themselvs down the polling station on the day.
2. I'm not pretending anything. Annesyre and I were not discussing anything. I replied to one senetence of one Annyesyre post passing opinion on (some) people who do not vote. You see I bolded the sentence I was referring to and referenced the bolding in my post (like people do). You'll notice some posts afterwards where other FMs have responded without any trouble with their reading and comprehension at all.
3. It is their right not to vote, didn't claim otherwise.
4. So random it's not published a very long time in advance? It is also not an employers responsibility to do anything, but the voter's if they wish to vote. I have already mentioned polling stations are open from 7am until 10pm. Big window that, why do you think that is the case?

The rest of what is going on in your mind (again) you have managed all on your own, perhaps you should have asked instead of shooting from the hip.


... and then I asked...


Perhaps you could politely reply. Most non shows don't give a shit and it is not a random "Thursday" is it. You know full well the those two statements are the actuality? 75% not turn up for my latter example, can't get there because of work or the voting day just sprang upon them unexpectedly? ... No 66, they don't give a shit.

ID is a good start.
To be followed by A Level certificates.

Try this.

http://lovewapping.org/2016/07/met-p...lutfur-rahman/

So let's get this right, the government is proposing an ID check based on a problem that has already been fixed.

TBH I'm not finding myself entirely surprised, I'm sure the ID scheme was due for exhumation soon anyway...

I have no doubt that Tower Hamlets is just the tip of the iceberg.

So lets have evidence before throwing baby out with the bath water

If it has not been said before, we need ID cards for using the NHS too.

Getting an ID card for using the NHS would just increase waiting times with people wanting free ID cards so they can vote.

No, no we don't

That's why it's more important to crack down on Postal Voting which has increased by 20 times the level of 2000 when the eligbility rules were watered down.

So you're admitting the current plans will do nothing to prevent the type of fraud you are most concerned about?

I think a tightening up of all voting procedures are needed, but postal fraud is by far the biggest problem.
Block postal voting in certain communities is well known, but if it became harder to get a postal vote then "on the day" fraud would increase.

I would be surprised if any party has the tenacity or will to actually bring in the changes that are needed.

So you're admitting the current plans will do nothing to prevent the type of fraud you are most concerned about?

Every little helps.
I am concerned about ANY fraud.
What is the big problem in providing ID?
They have it in Northern Ireland, and only have 1% postal votes.
I see no reason why we can't replicate that in the rest of the UK,
Currently some areas have almost 20% postal voters, which is far too high.

I find it amusing that Labour opened the floodgates to get more Labour voters in to the country and are now concerned these people will be unable to vote.
Surely most have passports and flit back home to see family or other wives, so their fears may be unfounded.

You do know millions of uk people dont have passports, ?

Are you aware that EU citizens living here can't vote? (except RoI).

So what floodgates were opened to get more Labour voters?

As is so common on DS, strong opinion based on incorrect facts.