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Old 27-12-2016, 08:16
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Rest of this week the R2 breakfast presenter, Sara Cox is younger than the R1 presenter, Scott Mills.

Why was Sara deemed too old for R1 but not Scott. Seems a bit sexist, women with kids can't relate to youngsters yet a man without them can.

Not sure what Sara did wrong to get axed from R1 she never sounded old and related well to her young audience.

Scott seemed on his way out when demoted from drive 5 years ago but has clung on and has by far the longest reign of hosting R1 breakfast as a stand in, 18 years! Not many R2 presenters have managed that long presenting the same show.
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Old 27-12-2016, 08:28
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Won't Sara Cox get more listeners on R2 than on R1?
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Old 27-12-2016, 08:35
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Rest of this week the R2 breakfast presenter, Sara Cox is younger than the R1 presenter, Scott Mills.

Why was Sara deemed too old for R1 but not Scott. Seems a bit sexist, women with kids can't relate to youngsters yet a man without them can.

Not sure what Sara did wrong to get axed from R1 she never sounded old and related well to her young audience.

Scott seemed on his way out when demoted from drive 5 years ago but has clung on and has by far the longest reign of hosting R1 breakfast as a stand in, 18 years! Not many R2 presenters have managed that long presenting the same show.
Scott Mills should be put on Weekend Breakfast on BBC Radio 1, Dev should be moved to Weekend Afternoons and Alice Levine moved to Weekday Afternoons. Scott should stop being Nick Grimshaw's cover it should be Greg James or Greg James and Alice Levine. If both presenters are on holiday during the Christmas period it should be Dev.

Scott should start covering shows like Steve Wright and Ken Bruce at BBC Radio 2 and start to make the transition to the station. Sara Cox did this to make her transition hosting Sunday Mid Mornings on BBC Radio 1 and covering Alex Lester and Janice Long on BBC Radio 2. Sara even covered for Ken Bruce over the Christnas period.
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Old 27-12-2016, 08:38
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Sara Cox has a voice for Silent Movies not Radio. ....professional Northern I call it. I avoided Radio 1 because of her. Now Radio 2 is off limits. I am from the same region as her, thankfully my neighbours don't talk like she does....
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Old 27-12-2016, 09:02
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Sara Cox has a voice for Silent Movies not Radio. ....professional Northern I call it. I avoided Radio 1 because of her. Now Radio 2 is off limits. I am from the same region as her, thankfully my neighbours don't talk like she does....
Sara has toned it down a bit. Used to find her grating when the yoof at work had Radio 1 on.
I actually find her bearable on Radio 2.
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Old 27-12-2016, 09:42
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Her voice grates on me whatever the station. When she comes on its time to switch off. Perish the thought that one day Grimshaw might move to Radio 2.
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Old 27-12-2016, 09:45
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Rest of this week the R2 breakfast presenter, Sara Cox is younger than the R1 presenter, Scott Mills.

Why was Sara deemed too old for R1 but not Scott. Seems a bit sexist, women with kids can't relate to youngsters yet a man without them can.

Not sure what Sara did wrong to get axed from R1 she never sounded old and related well to her young audience.

Scott seemed on his way out when demoted from drive 5 years ago but has clung on and has by far the longest reign of hosting R1 breakfast as a stand in, 18 years! Not many R2 presenters have managed that long presenting the same show.
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Old 27-12-2016, 09:48
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Rest of this week the R2 breakfast presenter, Sara Cox is younger than the R1 presenter, Scott Mills.

Why was Sara deemed too old for R1 but not Scott. Seems a bit sexist, women with kids can't relate to youngsters yet a man without them can.

Not sure what Sara did wrong to get axed from R1 she never sounded old and related well to her young audience.

Scott seemed on his way out when demoted from drive 5 years ago but has clung on and has by far the longest reign of hosting R1 breakfast as a stand in, 18 years! Not many R2 presenters have managed that long presenting the same show.
I knew before opening this thread it had to be started by you. What is this obsession you have about presenter's ages ?
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:17
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I knew before opening this thread it had to be started by you. What is this obsession you have about presenter's ages ?
Age is relevant as both Radio 1 & 2 specify an age range in their charters, plus most Radio 1 presenters leave due to their age (Moyles, Whiley, Cox, Bowman etc.). Scott is a rare exception of a mainstream R1 presenter still on well into his 40s.

Any other reason Scott was replaced by Greg on drive other than age?
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:46
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Age is relevant as both Radio 1 & 2 specify an age range in their charters, plus most Radio 1 presenters leave due to their age (Moyles, Whiley, Cox, Bowman etc.). Scott is a rare exception of a mainstream R1 presenter still on well into his 40s.

Any other reason Scott was replaced by Greg on drive other than age?
For goodness sake, you are obsessed, the charter is referring to TARGET age ranges of the listeners.
To use age ( along with race and gender) as criteria for employment is actually illegal. Welcome to 2016
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:55
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Rest of this week the R2 breakfast presenter, Sara Cox is younger than the R1 presenter, Scott Mills.

Why was Sara deemed too old for R1 but not Scott. Seems a bit sexist, women with kids can't relate to youngsters yet a man without them can.

Not sure what Sara did wrong to get axed from R1 she never sounded old and related well to her young audience.

Scott seemed on his way out when demoted from drive 5 years ago but has clung on and has by far the longest reign of hosting R1 breakfast as a stand in, 18 years! Not many R2 presenters have managed that long presenting the same show.
You're misunderstanding it. Radio 1 are interested in presenters who appeal to listeners aged 15-29. The age of the presenters themselves is irrelevent. Of course, there is likely to be some kind of correlation between the age of a presenter and the age of the listener that they appeal to but correlations are not perfect and there are always outliers. Arguing that all R1 presenters should be youngsters is a bit like arguing that all shows on Cbeebies should be presented by toddlers. I think Mills does deserve to continue on the station for the time being. He has been very savy in reinventing himself over the years and keeping his show fresh and he was very shrewd in brining Chris Stark on board which has helped to skew the show towards a younger audience. Cox made no similar efforts to keep her R1 show relevent to the younger audience.

You're wrong too to try and make this an issue of gender. What evidence do you have that gender is anything to do with it? There is no doubt that in the old days R1 was male dominated and there were no female presenters in their original 1967 line up. But in 2016 the BBC is one of the most politically correct institutions in the world. Chris Moyles was dumped from R1 at age 38. Cox left at amost the same age (39). Let's not forget too that Radio 1's longest serving presenter is a 76 year old women!
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Old 28-12-2016, 10:27
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Ken Bruce was younger than many of his R1 counterparts back in the 80s. It doesn't matter what age you are as long as you can do the job required of you.
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Old 28-12-2016, 21:16
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You're misunderstanding it. Radio 1 are interested in presenters who appeal to listeners aged 15-29. The age of the presenters themselves is irrelevent. Of course, there is likely to be some kind of correlation between the age of a presenter and the age of the listener that they appeal to but correlations are not perfect and there are always outliers. Arguing that all R1 presenters should be youngsters is a bit like arguing that all shows on Cbeebies should be presented by toddlers. I think Mills does deserve to continue on the station for the time being. He has been very savy in reinventing himself over the years and keeping his show fresh and he was very shrewd in brining Chris Stark on board which has helped to skew the show towards a younger audience. Cox made no similar efforts to keep her R1 show relevent to the younger audience.

You're wrong too to try and make this an issue of gender. What evidence do you have that gender is anything to do with it? There is no doubt that in the old days R1 was male dominated and there were no female presenters in their original 1967 line up. But in 2016 the BBC is one of the most politically correct institutions in the world. Chris Moyles was dumped from R1 at age 38. Cox left at amost the same age (39). Let's not forget too that Radio 1's longest serving presenter is a 76 year old women!
The fact that their eldest presenter is shoved to a weekly graveyard slot is ageism, when she was younger she had the 7pm Sunday slot.

It maybe 2016 but at R1 once you hit your late 30s you're either sacked or demoted like Scott, Anne N and Pete Tong.

If Scott is so relevant why was he demoted is it because Greg is better at relating to a younger audience or because he's much younger than Scott?
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Old 28-12-2016, 22:25
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At the time I thought the move was partly to help Scott stay on R1 longer and also that Drive might be having more corporate features taking up the show so Scott could have 3 hours of his features.

As posted before time again I belive future Breakfast show presenters are delibrately kept from covering Breakfast for 2 reasons. 1. It stops a cover presenter being unfairly tarnished if a spell covering goes wrong i.e. someone elses features and 2. It gives the message that there is noone better to do breakfast than the cover presenter. This is why Grimmy didnt cover Moyles, Chris didnt cover for Sara etc.
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Old 29-12-2016, 08:02
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At the time I thought the move was partly to help Scott stay on R1 longer and also that Drive might be having more corporate features taking up the show so Scott could have 3 hours of his features.

As posted before time again I belive future Breakfast show presenters are delibrately kept from covering Breakfast for 2 reasons. 1. It stops a cover presenter being unfairly tarnished if a spell covering goes wrong i.e. someone elses features and 2. It gives the message that there is noone better to do breakfast than the cover presenter. This is why Grimmy didnt cover Moyles, Chris didnt cover for Sara etc.
Whilst not the main cover, Chris did cover breakfast on a few occasions before he got the main gig.
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:20
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The fact that their eldest presenter is shoved to a weekly graveyard slot is ageism, when she was younger she had the 7pm Sunday slot.

It maybe 2016 but at R1 once you hit your late 30s you're either sacked or demoted like Scott, Anne N and Pete Tong.

If Scott is so relevant why was he demoted is it because Greg is better at relating to a younger audience or because he's much younger than Scott?
But again, what evidence do you have that ageism is taking place? The fact that Nightingale used to have a 7pm slot but is now on at 1am is not evidence of ageism in itself, it's perfectly possible that that decision was made for non-ageist reasons. Also, in all of these examples, have you ever considered the fact that Nightingale might prefer to be on at that hour, or that Cox might actually prefer to be on R2? Annie Nightingale's show has changed over the years and in it's current format it is clearly suited to a late night slot. She has an international following and I rememeber in the early days of the R1 website she used to revel in the fact that she would pull in listeners from all around the world in her late night time slot as she had fans in many different time zones who could all listen at that time. Nowadays I imagine 90% of her listeners are listening at a time that suits them on iPlayer and the show is clearly pre-recorded so what time it is actually broadcast is largely irrelevent.

Since when was Tong demoted? He's very much still the top dog at R1 as far as dance is concerned. He is very lucky to have 5 hours of weekly airtime despite not even living in this country! If moving from 6pm to 10pm is a demotion then the most likely reason would be that R1 would prefer to have a live show in that earlier time slot since Tong's show is pre-recorded in the USA.
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