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Old 03-01-2017, 16:25
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I've just caught this on catch-up as I was away for the week. Apart from a few plot holes that I can ignore in the name of entertainment the only complaint I have is that most of the major denuement (sp) took place in the dark so a lot of the detail escaped us.
I quite liked the Hitchcock scarecrow idea.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:33
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Been watching a few of the classic episodes on Netflix to remind myself how good it was. I've got them all on DVD, however Netflix is easier, at least it was until I soon noticed some absolutely savage editing going on, there's entire scenes cut out of every episode.

Is this because Netflix are buying episodes from the sorts of channels who hack BBC hour-long episodes to bits to fit adverts in?
I doubt it. Why would they not simply go to the source? It's more likely that there are rights issues with content that cannot be resolved so the scenes in question have been disappeared.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:59
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I don't see her as 'nagging' ... she's simply drop-dead gorgeous, and so much more bearable than Caroline Quentin ever was, although Sheridan Smith probably just pips her!
Na, she isn't THAT good looking and nowhere near as bearable as Caroline Quentin (who was the best sidekick) and even Julia Sawalha was better than her and not trying to change him!
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:09
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I doubt it. Why would they not simply go to the source? It's more likely that there are rights issues with content that cannot be resolved so the scenes in question have been disappeared.
I thought that too, that was only my best guess. Every episode is down to about 52 minutes from the original 58ish.

Some of the stuff that's been cut seems so arbitrary and pointless that it looks like time-saving. There's a bit at the start of Jack in the Box where Maddy and Jonathan are driving to the clifftop house and he asks her why he should get involved in her latest investigation. In the original episode she offers him £100 and he tells her to stop the car, he gets out and she drives away leaving him standing in the middle of nowhere. Cut to him immediately back in the car asking where they start. It's a very brief joke.

In the Netflix version, it's edited round and misses that bit out (probably around 20 seconds), but features most of the rest of the car journey.

Later in the episode, Maddy leaves her car keys on a cliff and only realises once they get back to the car in the pouring rain. There's then a brief scene where they check into a hotel, soaked to the skin.

In the Netflix version, she's searching in her bag while Jonathan is talking about the case and it then immediately cuts to them having dinner in the hotel restaurant - again, probably 20-30 seconds off the episode but the cut goes across multiple scenes.

Hard to imagine any of what they've missed out being a particular rights issue. I bet it's exactly the same edit that appears on Watch/Drama/alibi.

The Reconstituted Corpse is worse, it chops the ending off, leaving the storyline with Nigel Planer's character unresolved.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:57
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I thought that too, that was only my best guess. Every episode is down to about 52 minutes from the original 58ish.

Some of the stuff that's been cut seems so arbitrary and pointless that it looks like time-saving. There's a bit at the start of Jack in the Box where Maddy and Jonathan are driving to the clifftop house and he asks her why he should get involved in her latest investigation. In the original episode she offers him £100 and he tells her to stop the car, he gets out and she drives away leaving him standing in the middle of nowhere. Cut to him immediately back in the car asking where they start. It's a very brief joke.

In the Netflix version, it's edited round and misses that bit out (probably around 20 seconds), but features most of the rest of the car journey.

Later in the episode, Maddy leaves her car keys on a cliff and only realises once they get back to the car in the pouring rain. There's then a brief scene where they check into a hotel, soaked to the skin.

In the Netflix version, she's searching in her bag while Jonathan is talking about the case and it then immediately cuts to them having dinner in the hotel restaurant - again, probably 20-30 seconds off the episode but the cut goes across multiple scenes.

Hard to imagine any of what they've missed out being a particular rights issue. I bet it's exactly the same edit that appears on Watch/Drama/alibi.

The Reconstituted Corpse is worse, it chops the ending off, leaving the storyline with Nigel Planer's character unresolved.
I should think it will be that Netflix use the same edit that the Sky channels use. Which get chopped to fit the hour slot & adverts.
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Old 03-01-2017, 18:41
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I thought that too, that was only my best guess. Every episode is down to about 52 minutes from the original 58ish.

Some of the stuff that's been cut seems so arbitrary and pointless that it looks like time-saving. There's a bit at the start of Jack in the Box where Maddy and Jonathan are driving to the clifftop house and he asks her why he should get involved in her latest investigation. In the original episode she offers him £100 and he tells her to stop the car, he gets out and she drives away leaving him standing in the middle of nowhere. Cut to him immediately back in the car asking where they start. It's a very brief joke.

In the Netflix version, it's edited round and misses that bit out (probably around 20 seconds), but features most of the rest of the car journey.

Later in the episode, Maddy leaves her car keys on a cliff and only realises once they get back to the car in the pouring rain. There's then a brief scene where they check into a hotel, soaked to the skin.

In the Netflix version, she's searching in her bag while Jonathan is talking about the case and it then immediately cuts to them having dinner in the hotel restaurant - again, probably 20-30 seconds off the episode but the cut goes across multiple scenes.

Hard to imagine any of what they've missed out being a particular rights issue. I bet it's exactly the same edit that appears on Watch/Drama/alibi.

The Reconstituted Corpse is worse, it chops the ending off, leaving the storyline with Nigel Planer's character unresolved.

It is probably as said to shorten episodes, And with this type of show you need to cut things that don't hint towards the crime being solved, So conversation in a car isn't crucial so can go, As can the bit with her keys and the offering of which hotel room to have
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:56
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I thought that too, that was only my best guess. Every episode is down to about 52 minutes from the original 58ish.
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Renwick mentioned that in the book that was out years ago. The first series was all made for an hour meaning they had to chop all the comedy out as you noticed. From the second series on they made them all 50 minutes to avoid that problem.
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:47
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I like Warrick Davies character and he he returns. There hasn't been a comedy character like him in the show since they got rid of Adam Klaus.
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Old 04-01-2017, 21:27
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Renwick mentioned that in the book that was out years ago. The first series was all made for an hour meaning they had to chop all the comedy out as you noticed. From the second series on they made them all 50 minutes to avoid that problem.
When it came to Series 4, they went back up to hour long episodes, but Renwick purposely included scenes which could be cut without affecting the plot - hence the sometimes arduous and irrelevant Adam Klaus scenes peppered throughout that series.
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Old Yesterday, 11:30
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I like Warrick Davies' character .......
Great opening line: 'I'm your biggest fan!'
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Old Yesterday, 17:11
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Who was the man they killed in the fire? Why did he have a vendetta against Jonathan?
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Old Yesterday, 19:36
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Who was the man they killed in the fire? Why did he have a vendetta against Jonathan?
There was an early episode in which a scientist was killed in a locked room in his mansion by falling on a samurai sword but then it turned out he'd been poisoned by licking an envelope. Jonathan worked that out and who had sent it and offscreen someone was arrested. He got out in this episode and wanted revenge.
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