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I enjoyed it, although not really one of the best JC stories.
The fact that he didn't suspect the husband in the earlier poisoning case seems like a fairly whopping plot hole to me.
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Surprised to see nothing but complaints so far.
it was miles better than the mini series a few years ago, and I enjoyed it from start to finish. ![]() I thought it was very entertaining. But I still don't like his wife. |
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I enjoyed it, although not really one of the best JC stories.
The fact that he didn't suspect the husband in the earlier poisoning case seems like a fairly whopping plot hole to me. ![]() |
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How did he kill his wife?
Though I don't get who JC thought did it if he originally didn't think it was the husband? |
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Not sure I got the plot or was there a big plot hole?
SPOILER ALERT Was the woman's husband the same guy that poisoned his wife six years earlier? I assume it was because that's why the brother of the woman wanted to get his revenge? If the man was the same as the man six years ago why didn't Jonathan Creek recognize the man as soon as he met him in the stately home? Or am I wrong and they were two different men? ???? |
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Better than the last 3 episodes, but that's not saying much.
My problem with this newer version of the show is that it's all too whimsical and relies too much on the fantasy stuff 'hobgoblins' and 'ghosts' whereas in the older episodes, these minor points would be explained within seconds by Jonathan, rather than them being focal points in the plot. Even the flashbacks to a young Jonathan jar with the earlier version of the show. 'Phone-y' is fresh out of a Jonathan Creek spoof. It's the kind of thing that Alistair McGowan used to do a few years back. Warwick Davis was a welcome addition to the show, and he had good chemistry with the rest of the cast. I found the reveal of the CCTV man a bit limp because the episode didn't seem to have many characters in the first place. It was always going to be him, or one of the other two characters in the house. Overall, it's not Jonathan Creek really. The style change and plot development means it's not the show I fell in love with. I'll never not watch an episode out of loyalty/ stupidity, but for me it wasn't the worst Creek I've ever watched. |
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Very good. Loved Warwick Davis.
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Can anyone clarify that the man that murdered his wife six years ago - anti-money - was the same guy that the black guy murdered in the pit of fire?
I assume it was the same guy! I don't get the plot. Sorry. Something doesn't make sense or I'm Mr Thickie. |
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This episode was my favourite of the recent JC episodes - I found it very entertaining and thought the mysteries were very satisfying.
In particular, I really liked the poisoning mystery and the 'anti money' resolution to it. I think this could have worked as the main mystery, as it had more mileage than the mystery death of the mother and sisters which I had guessed quite early on. Maddy will always be my favourite sidekick and I do miss the windmill, but I do like Polly and think she's a good sidekick. I prefer her to Sheridan and Julia Sawalha's characters. |
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Not sure I got the plot or was there a big plot hole?
SPOILER ALERT Was the woman's husband the same guy that poisoned his wife six years earlier? I assume it was because that's why the brother of the woman wanted to get his revenge? If the man was the same as the man six years ago why didn't Jonathan Creek recognize the man as soon as he met him in the stately home? Or am I wrong and they were two different men? ????
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Not sure I got the plot or was there a big plot hole?
SPOILER ALERT Was the woman's husband the same guy that poisoned his wife six years earlier? I assume it was because that's why the brother of the woman wanted to get his revenge? If the man was the same as the man six years ago why didn't Jonathan Creek recognize the man as soon as he met him in the stately home? Or am I wrong and they were two different men? ???? |
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If the black guy killed the woman's husband - and the woman's husband was also the husband of the woman he killed six years ago, why didn't Creek recognize him?
Help! I don't get the plot! |
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Not sure I got the plot or was there a big plot hole?
SPOILER ALERT Was the woman's husband the same guy that poisoned his wife six years earlier? I assume it was because that's why the brother of the woman wanted to get his revenge? If the man was the same as the man six years ago why didn't Jonathan Creek recognize the man as soon as he met him in the stately home? Or am I wrong and they were two different men? ???? He didn't know he was the murderer though because he had proven the man's innocence before by blaming it on a mysterious "other" who had never been caught. He did enough to prove reasonable doubt. |
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this newer version of the show is that it's all too whimsical and relies too much on the fantasy stuff 'hobgoblins' and 'ghosts' whereas in the older episodes, these minor points would be explained within seconds by Jonathan, rather than them being focal points in the plot. .
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Can anyone clarify that the man that murdered his wife six years ago - anti-money - was the same guy that the black guy murdered in the pit of fire?
I assume it was the same guy! I don't get the plot. Sorry. Something doesn't make sense or I'm Mr Thickie. BiB2 - Mmmm.... |
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They both seemed very blasé about effectively burning someone alive...
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If the black guy killed the woman's husband - and the woman's husband was also the husband of the woman he killed six years ago, why didn't Creek recognize him?
Help! I don't get the plot! So he was never involved in the original murder and Johnathan wouldn't have met him. He didn't murder the woman, the woman's husband did. The question is why didn't the murderer recognize his brother on law? |
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He did recognise him - he asked how he had been??????? Everyone knew it was the same man - Jonathan had got him off the charge of poisoning.
He did recognize him? Oh, must have missed that bit. Still not sure the two bits of the plot gel well - the guy killing his wife and getting released and the same guy with the new wife! Obviously it's a story coincidence but I never got the sense the guy knew Creek and Creek never had a brief chat with him about the past."Oh fancy meeting you here!" Yes, thank for getting me off that murder charge!" ![]() And I never knew they were the same guy and surely that was the whole point. Surely the twist was we find out at the end the man was the same man from six years ago - hency why the black guy admits it and gives his reason for killing him (or rather, Creek gives the reason why he killed him). I think there is a plot hole or major lack of credibility here. I'll need to watch it again to see if it makes total sense! |
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It was the same man, and JC did recognise him. In fact he was the one who put his new wife in contact with JC. Still struggling to believe he wasn't prime suspect in the original poisoning though.
![]() Mind you, she got saved by the (other) murderer in the end and not JC. |
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I enjoyed it
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He did recognize him? Oh, must have missed that bit. Still not sure the two bits of the plot gel well - the guy killing his wife and getting released and the same guy with the new wife! Obviously it's a story coincidence but I never got the sense the guy knew Creek and Creek never had a brief chat with him about the past.
"Oh fancy meeting you here!" Yes, thank for getting me of that murder charge!" ![]() And I never knew they were the same guy and surely that was the whole point. Surely the twist was we find out at the end the man was the same man from six years ago - hency why the black guy admits it and gives his reason for killing him (or rather, Creek gives the reason why he killed him). I think there is a plot hole or major lack of credibility here. I'll need to watch it again to see if it makes total sense! |
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I still struggle to get this. So Jonathan knew it was the man from six years ago but we, the audience, didn't. We can't because it's revealed at the end - hence why the brother of the murdered woman wanted to kill the guy.
We didn't know they were one and the same guy so how could Creek know and inform the audience? We didn't know so therefore Creek couldn't know cos he never revealed it. And how would he know the black guy was the brother? He didn't know that too! LOL |
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Mind you, she got saved by the (other) murderer in the end and not JC.
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I still struggle to get this. So Jonathan knew it was the man from six years ago but we, the audience, didn't. We can't because it's revealed at the end - hence why the brother of the murdered woman wanted to kill the guy.
We didn't know they were one and the same guy so how could Creek know and inform the audience? We didn't know so therefore Creek couldn't know cos he never revealed it. And how would he know the black guy was the brother? He didn't know that too! LOL The characters talked about it!! Everyone knew!!!! |
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I still struggle to get this. So Jonathan knew it was the man from six years ago but we, the audience, didn't. We can't because it's revealed at the end - hence why the brother of the murdered woman wanted to kill the guy.
We didn't know they were one and the same guy so how could Creek know and inform the audience? We didn't know so therefore Creek couldn't know cos he never revealed it. And how would he know the black guy was the brother? He didn't know that too! LOL |
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