Originally Posted by tenofspades:
“What about chocolate? It seems quite arbitrary what is the definition of masculinity.”
“What about chocolate? It seems quite arbitrary what is the definition of masculinity.”
do you fancy the Milk Tray Man?
Richard Hammond under fire after saying men who eat ice cream are "gay"
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Originally Posted by JimothyD:
“Why are people so overly sensitive? This ever increasing PC culture is ridiculous. It was a throwaway joke, so what? Get over it!!
Making fun of our differences is not racist, xenophobic or homophobic!
I can't stand these fascists who continually undermine free speech - they're the real problem with modern society.”
“Why are people so overly sensitive? This ever increasing PC culture is ridiculous. It was a throwaway joke, so what? Get over it!!
Making fun of our differences is not racist, xenophobic or homophobic!
I can't stand these fascists who continually undermine free speech - they're the real problem with modern society.”
People have a right to be as sensitive as they are, and others should strive to be more considerate of others and their needs and feelings. It's not 'PC gawn maaad', it's simply civility and most importantly of all, kindness.
Some of us want to raise standards and encourage the human species to progress and evolve, and others want to drag it down to their level and encourage regression.
If anything goes to prove what they say about people today being offended over anything, its this thread
They know this will give them the reaction they want and the publicity they want so more people will watch.
They know this will give them the reaction they want and the publicity they want so more people will watch.
Originally Posted by starsailor:
“In a world where gay people are being thrown off building and stoned and worse, I can't really get too worked up about one persons joke remark about ice cream...”
“In a world where gay people are being thrown off building and stoned and worse, I can't really get too worked up about one persons joke remark about ice cream...”
All prejudice is interconnected, from the ultra casual to the most severe.
Originally Posted by starsailor:
“In a world where gay people are being thrown off building and stoned and worse, I can't really get too worked up about one persons joke remark about ice cream...”
“In a world where gay people are being thrown off building and stoned and worse, I can't really get too worked up about one persons joke remark about ice cream...”
I no why dont they get upset on that bout a joke upsets them it not right
Originally Posted by zx50:
“I wonder if Hammond would have been so quick to make a joke about black people? Probably not.”
“I wonder if Hammond would have been so quick to make a joke about black people? Probably not.”
He's done jokes about Mexicans being lazy, feckless and flatulent before.
Originally Posted by WanderinWonder:
“People have a right to be as sensitive as they are, and others should strive to be more considerate of others and their needs and feelings. It's not 'PC gawn maaad', it's simply civility and most importantly of all, kindness.
Some of us want to raise standards and encourage the human species to progress and evolve, and others want to drag it down to their level and encourage regression.”
“People have a right to be as sensitive as they are, and others should strive to be more considerate of others and their needs and feelings. It's not 'PC gawn maaad', it's simply civility and most importantly of all, kindness.
Some of us want to raise standards and encourage the human species to progress and evolve, and others want to drag it down to their level and encourage regression.”
This just creates a very soft society. People that get offended by everything, complaining about everything basically crybabies or snowflakes.
I mean would you want kids to grow up behind a PC all day not having any real problems to deal with or have the kids out on the streets falling over, getting into fights etc but growing up to know how to be strong and defend themselves.
I see many of the kids growing up now are all what they call gamers and if you took them to a rough area they would run away, because they haven`t seen the real life.
Same goes for when these type of kids need to start working, they have never seen any real life situations so they are like a fish out of the sea.
So, yes being kind to others etc is good and needed but more importantly people having a back bone and not getting offended by everything is more important.
I mean seriously it`s a joke. funny or not, just get on with it. It just reminds me of kids going crying to their mothers or teachers when something happens. Just grow up and man up.
Originally Posted by netcurtains:
“Wouldn't it be more newsworthy if one of them said something that didn't make half of the country cringe?
They're a bunch of dodgy uncles that no one wants to invite round for Christmas dinner because they'll embarrass themselves.”
“Wouldn't it be more newsworthy if one of them said something that didn't make half of the country cringe?
They're a bunch of dodgy uncles that no one wants to invite round for Christmas dinner because they'll embarrass themselves.”
They would be welcome at ours anytime. I never cringe at what they say, only applaud.
Originally Posted by WanderinWonder:
“People have a right to be as sensitive as they are, and others should strive to be more considerate of others and their needs and feelings. It's not 'PC gawn maaad', it's simply civility and most importantly of all, kindness.
Some of us want to raise standards and encourage the human species to progress and evolve, and others want to drag it down to their level and encourage regression.”
“People have a right to be as sensitive as they are, and others should strive to be more considerate of others and their needs and feelings. It's not 'PC gawn maaad', it's simply civility and most importantly of all, kindness.
Some of us want to raise standards and encourage the human species to progress and evolve, and others want to drag it down to their level and encourage regression.”
Boo hoo! people are evolving and progressing. They have gone from being relatively lean and trim less then seventy years ago to being grossly unfit lardy boys and girls who can barely drag themselves off the sofa.
There's a world of difference between being polite and having manners to those who are simply offended by anyone whose thoughts are at odds with their own.
Originally Posted by Derek1903:
“This just creates a very soft society. People that get offended by everything, complaining about everything basically crybabies or snowflakes.
I mean would you want kids to grow up behind a PC all day not having any real problems to deal with or have the kids out on the streets falling over, getting into fights etc but growing up to know how to be strong and defend themselves.
I see many of the kids growing up now are all what they call gamers and if you took them to a rough area they would run away, because they haven`t seen the real life.
Same goes for when these type of kids need to start working, they have never seen any real life situations so they are like a fish out of the sea.
So, yes being kind to others etc is good and needed but more importantly people having a back bone and not getting offended by everything is more important.
I mean seriously it`s a joke. funny or not, just get on with it. It just reminds me of kids going crying to their mothers or teachers when something happens.”
“This just creates a very soft society. People that get offended by everything, complaining about everything basically crybabies or snowflakes.
I mean would you want kids to grow up behind a PC all day not having any real problems to deal with or have the kids out on the streets falling over, getting into fights etc but growing up to know how to be strong and defend themselves.
I see many of the kids growing up now are all what they call gamers and if you took them to a rough area they would run away, because they haven`t seen the real life.
Same goes for when these type of kids need to start working, they have never seen any real life situations so they are like a fish out of the sea.
So, yes being kind to others etc is good and needed but more importantly people having a back bone and not getting offended by everything is more important.
I mean seriously it`s a joke. funny or not, just get on with it. It just reminds me of kids going crying to their mothers or teachers when something happens.”
Although I hope you're not suggesting that kids shouldn't do that if they're being bullied, for example.
I don't think this particular "joke" was a big deal, but there are some things being said that warrant complaints and media attention.
Originally Posted by Pitman:
“to be fair,their brand of xenophobia had a decent run on the BBC, only when Clarkson started beating the shit out of people did they get the boot
”
“to be fair,their brand of xenophobia had a decent run on the BBC, only when Clarkson started beating the shit out of people did they get the boot
”
Yea, well again that incident should never have been made public. Who the hell goes whinging to their bosses saying 'please sir he hit me'. How totally pathetic was that.
Originally Posted by JimothyD:
“Why are people so overly sensitive? This ever increasing PC culture is ridiculous. It was a throwaway joke, so what? Get over it!!
Making fun of our differences is not racist, xenophobic or homophobic!
I can't stand these fascists who continually undermine free speech - they're the real problem with modern society.”
“Why are people so overly sensitive? This ever increasing PC culture is ridiculous. It was a throwaway joke, so what? Get over it!!
Making fun of our differences is not racist, xenophobic or homophobic!
I can't stand these fascists who continually undermine free speech - they're the real problem with modern society.”
If only the PC brigade weren't so slippery we could grab them by the scruff of the neck and rid ourselves of this curse.
But they're always just around the corner and when you look . . they've gone!
Originally Posted by JimothyD:
“The 'outrage' brigade have become a parody of themselves.
People have to walk on egg shells because of speech fascists like this:
https://twitter.com/ProducerOllie/st...21951725649920
They need to grow up and realise being gay isn't taboo or weird in our society any more. It is fair game for jokes as much as anything.”
“The 'outrage' brigade have become a parody of themselves.
People have to walk on egg shells because of speech fascists like this:
https://twitter.com/ProducerOllie/st...21951725649920
They need to grow up and realise being gay isn't taboo or weird in our society any more. It is fair game for jokes as much as anything.”
You live under the fascist boot of Ollie Cole?????
Originally Posted by DadDancer:
“Yet when do these politically correct do gooders ever mention these atrocities?”
“Yet when do these politically correct do gooders ever mention these atrocities?”
I don't know and neither do you.
Originally Posted by WanderinWonder:
“People have a right to be as sensitive as they are,”
“People have a right to be as sensitive as they are,”
Indeed they do, but my concern is for the millennials whom have been effectively brainwashed by society and the media. I question whether they actually have any independent thought and views of their own beyond parroting what they have been "told" to find offensive.
Originally Posted by Derek1903:
“This just creates a very soft society. People that get offended by everything, complaining about everything basically crybabies or snowflakes.”
“This just creates a very soft society. People that get offended by everything, complaining about everything basically crybabies or snowflakes.”
I have seen this first hand with a relative. He's 20, way younger than me. Try to engage in a discussion about a controversial subject with him and he just shuts down "I don't want to have this conversation".
He's either too scared to say the wrong thing, or his brain is unable to process any independent thought which oppose his brainwashed upbringing.
There is a time and a place for PC, but it has all gone way too far turning us into a nation of neutral lame ducks with no sense of humour or backbone. And the problem is no-one knows where the boundaries are more.
You only have to look around twitter and these forums:
Say something negative about a women, and a PC fool will be along to label the poster as a misogynist.
Say something critical about a LGBT person and you’re instantly a homophobe of transphobe.
Say something negative about someone of a different race or religion and you’re a racist.
If they don't fit, they'll play the bigot card instead.
To all those types, a) please try using a dictionary to discover the correct meaning and usage of these terms and b) do carry on, because every cry-wolf over-reaction just helps to discredit what you stand for.
That must be what, 60% (a total guess, maybe higher) of the population that we can no longer have constructive, open minded discussion with or express a sense of humour for fear of offending. Does that help integration with other communities, races and religions? I doubt it, thanks to PC I'm more likely to stay well away from them because the risk of a Freudian-slip is just too great.
Besides, I suspect the truth of this ice cream gag and those taking it oh so seriously are just being trolled. Remember the old saying "there is no such thing as bad publicity"?
It's almost impossible to conceive that the presenters and producers didn't know exactly what they were doing when they stirred in that piece. Big kudos to the posters who have revealed the origin and localisation of the gag for the Finnish audience.
Nonetheless, GT is a global show and they must have been aware that what washes in one country may not in somewhere like the UK.
Especially given their history of minor controversies, they knew what they were doing alright. They would have known darn well it would generate some headlines for being mildly non-PC. It creates publicity and discussion, thus has achieved their objective and those "offended" have been played and used to achieve this. Well done
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“I gave my kids a bit of a tongue-lashing about this recently. One of them described something, an item of clothing, I think, as 'a bit gay'. They were a bit vague about what they meant but it seems to be accepted schoolyard parlance.”
“I gave my kids a bit of a tongue-lashing about this recently. One of them described something, an item of clothing, I think, as 'a bit gay'. They were a bit vague about what they meant but it seems to be accepted schoolyard parlance.”
We had this recently with our 9 yr old when he said, "That's SO gay", when I tried to introduce him to Elvis' music.
He hadn't a notion what it meant - or at least considered why it was offensive - he just picked it up from school.
Funny thing is our wee man is as camp as a row of tents. He ticks every stereotype going so even his "Soooo gay" was pretty gay. Hasn't said it again though.
As for Hammond. Well, it was stupid. And his delivery was rubbish - not even mildly humorous but not something to write home about.
Originally Posted by Kai Thompson:
“Sometimes I think that when it comes to men and being emasculated they really are their own worst enemy. In what universe does eating ice cream make a man gay?”
“Sometimes I think that when it comes to men and being emasculated they really are their own worst enemy. In what universe does eating ice cream make a man gay?”
It's really one of the most unattractive qualities a man can have. Some of the replies have cracked me up though.
https://twitter.com/PaytonQuinn/stat...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
Originally Posted by DadDancer:
“Yet when do these politically correct do gooders ever mention these atrocities?”
“Yet when do these politically correct do gooders ever mention these atrocities?”
Originally Posted by JDF:
“I no why dont they get upset on that bout a joke upsets them it not right”
“I no why dont they get upset on that bout a joke upsets them it not right
”
Yes, that's right. We should tolerate casual homophobia because at least we're not throwing gays off buildings.
lol
And, you're right, these things are never mentioned or denounced at all. Ever.
LOL
Originally Posted by jaycee331:
“Indeed they do, but my concern is for the millennials whom have been effectively brainwashed by society and the media. I question whether they actually have any independent thought and views of their own beyond parroting what they have been "told" to find offensive.
I have seen this first hand with a relative. He's 20, way younger than me. Try to engage in a discussion about a controversial subject with him and he just shuts down "I don't want to have this conversation".
He's either too scared to say the wrong thing, or his brain is unable to process any independent thought which oppose his brainwashed upbringing.
There is a time and a place for PC, but it has all gone way too far turning us into a nation of neutral lame ducks with no sense of humour or backbone. And the problem is no-one knows where the boundaries are more.
You only have to look around twitter and these forums:
Say something negative about a women, and a PC fool will be along to label the poster as a misogynist.
Say something critical about a LGBT person and you’re instantly a homophobe of transphobe.
Say something negative about someone of a different race or religion and you’re a racist.
If they don't fit, they'll play the bigot card instead.
To all those types, a) please try using a dictionary to discover the correct meaning and usage of these terms and b) do carry on, because every cry-wolf over-reaction just helps to discredit what you stand for.
That must be what, 60% (a total guess, maybe higher) of the population that we can no longer have constructive, open minded discussion with or express a sense of humour for fear of offending. Does that help integration with other communities, races and religions? I doubt it, thanks to PC I'm more likely to stay well away from them because the risk of a Freudian-slip is just too great.
Besides, I suspect the truth of this ice cream gag and those taking it oh so seriously are just being trolled. Remember the old saying "there is no such thing as bad publicity"?
It's almost impossible to conceive that the presenters and producers didn't know exactly what they were doing when they stirred in that piece. Big kudos to the posters who have revealed the origin and localisation of the gag for the Finnish audience.
Nonetheless, GT is a global show and they must have been aware that what washes in one country may not in somewhere like the UK.
Especially given their history of minor controversies, they knew what they were doing alright. They would have known darn well it would generate some headlines for being mildly non-PC. It creates publicity and discussion, thus has achieved their objective and those "offended" have been played and used to achieve this. Well done”
“Indeed they do, but my concern is for the millennials whom have been effectively brainwashed by society and the media. I question whether they actually have any independent thought and views of their own beyond parroting what they have been "told" to find offensive.
I have seen this first hand with a relative. He's 20, way younger than me. Try to engage in a discussion about a controversial subject with him and he just shuts down "I don't want to have this conversation".
He's either too scared to say the wrong thing, or his brain is unable to process any independent thought which oppose his brainwashed upbringing.
There is a time and a place for PC, but it has all gone way too far turning us into a nation of neutral lame ducks with no sense of humour or backbone. And the problem is no-one knows where the boundaries are more.
You only have to look around twitter and these forums:
Say something negative about a women, and a PC fool will be along to label the poster as a misogynist.
Say something critical about a LGBT person and you’re instantly a homophobe of transphobe.
Say something negative about someone of a different race or religion and you’re a racist.
If they don't fit, they'll play the bigot card instead.
To all those types, a) please try using a dictionary to discover the correct meaning and usage of these terms and b) do carry on, because every cry-wolf over-reaction just helps to discredit what you stand for.
That must be what, 60% (a total guess, maybe higher) of the population that we can no longer have constructive, open minded discussion with or express a sense of humour for fear of offending. Does that help integration with other communities, races and religions? I doubt it, thanks to PC I'm more likely to stay well away from them because the risk of a Freudian-slip is just too great.
Besides, I suspect the truth of this ice cream gag and those taking it oh so seriously are just being trolled. Remember the old saying "there is no such thing as bad publicity"?
It's almost impossible to conceive that the presenters and producers didn't know exactly what they were doing when they stirred in that piece. Big kudos to the posters who have revealed the origin and localisation of the gag for the Finnish audience.
Nonetheless, GT is a global show and they must have been aware that what washes in one country may not in somewhere like the UK.
Especially given their history of minor controversies, they knew what they were doing alright. They would have known darn well it would generate some headlines for being mildly non-PC. It creates publicity and discussion, thus has achieved their objective and those "offended" have been played and used to achieve this. Well done
”
Excellent, well reasoned post.
Originally Posted by Wee Tinkers:
“We had this recently with our 9 yr old when he said, "That's SO gay", when I tried to introduce him to Elvis' music.
He hadn't a notion what it meant - or at least considered why it was offensive - he just picked it up from school.
Funny thing is our wee man is as camp as a row of tents. He ticks every stereotype going so even his "Soooo gay" was pretty gay. Hasn't said it again though.
As for Hammond. Well, it was stupid. And his delivery was rubbish - not even mildly humorous but not something to write home about.”
“We had this recently with our 9 yr old when he said, "That's SO gay", when I tried to introduce him to Elvis' music.
He hadn't a notion what it meant - or at least considered why it was offensive - he just picked it up from school.
Funny thing is our wee man is as camp as a row of tents. He ticks every stereotype going so even his "Soooo gay" was pretty gay. Hasn't said it again though.
As for Hammond. Well, it was stupid. And his delivery was rubbish - not even mildly humorous but not something to write home about.”
I think your son was using the That's so gay
as a Phrase used to describe something lame, dull or boring. Unsubstantial.
Originally Posted by Faust:
“Yea, well again that incident should never have been made public. Who the hell goes whinging to their bosses saying 'please sir he hit me'. How totally pathetic was that.”
“Yea, well again that incident should never have been made public. Who the hell goes whinging to their bosses saying 'please sir he hit me'. How totally pathetic was that.”
It happened in a public place anyway, and Clarkson reported it to the BBC himself. But the person he hit would have had every right to report it, why should he put up with that?
Originally Posted by jaycee331:
“You only have to look around twitter and these forums:
Say something negative about a women, and a PC fool will be along to label the poster as a misogynist.
Say something critical about a LGBT person and you’re instantly a homophobe of transphobe.
Say something negative about someone of a different race or religion and you’re a racist.”
“You only have to look around twitter and these forums:
Say something negative about a women, and a PC fool will be along to label the poster as a misogynist.
Say something critical about a LGBT person and you’re instantly a homophobe of transphobe.
Say something negative about someone of a different race or religion and you’re a racist.”
I can't speak for Twitter, but this really doesn't happen that often on these forums.
Why do people always rise to the bait like this, it's deliberate you know to raise controversy .
It's all tongue and cheek
It's all tongue and cheek
Originally Posted by JDF:
“I think your son was using the That's so gay
as a Phrase used to describe something lame, dull or boring. Unsubstantial.”
“I think your son was using the That's so gay
as a Phrase used to describe something lame, dull or boring. Unsubstantial.”
Yeah, I know that. I work in a school so I hear I'm familiar with the language of their people but, although not the biggest deal, he did get a substantial telling off because as accepted as it is now to use 'gay' to mean lame I'd rather he didn't. Hammond's mother can deal with him.
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