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Richard Hammond under fire after saying men who eat ice cream are "gay"
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Faust
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by 1fab:
“Surely the point is that ideally people wouldn't have to put up with this discrimination.

In an ideal world, nobody should have to be stoical about discrimination.

You're dead right about the fact that there are other groups discriminated against. Some of them aren't able to stick up for themselves, and have to rely on others to fight their cause.

People in the GLBT community don't think they're a special case - they're just defending their rights the way anyone would given the ability.”

There are in fact a disproportionate amount of gay people in parliament and other places of high office, as opposed to other minority groups, so I would say they probably do 'get the most oil' as they are some of the ones holding the oil can.

I'm trying to think where I saw this report - it's a while ago now. It had some connection to when it was proposed that gay marriage should be on the statute books.
1fab
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“There are in fact a disproportionate amount of gay people in parliament and other places of high office, as opposed to other minority groups, so I would say they probably do 'get the most oil' as they are some of the ones holding the oil can.

I'm trying to think where I saw this report - it's a while ago now. It had some connection to when it was proposed that gay marriage should be on the statute books.”

Just realised which thread I'm in!

But.... are you suggesting there is some kind of ideal ratio of minority groups, which should not be exceeded?
scottie2121
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2011/9780111512951

I really wouldn't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs with regard to the EQA. I can quote passages almost verbatim as it was something I had involvement with prior to my retirement.

It does in fact get updates as and when it is affected by other legislation.”

Thanks for clarifying that although it does seem to be a Statutory Instrument rather than an amendment of the Act however I'm sure you can clarify that. After all, you are the expert and can quote passages almost word for word.

Having said that, it's regrettable that you have to adopt such a sneering and patronising tone. But that does seem to be your way.

As well as avoiding questions. Would you like me to remind you?
scottie2121
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“I can't see the irony either. Could you explain where it is?”

I was wondering that as well.
Paul237
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“There are in fact a disproportionate amount of gay people in parliament and other places of high office, as opposed to other minority groups, so I would say they probably do 'get the most oil' as they are some of the ones holding the oil can.

I'm trying to think where I saw this report - it's a while ago now. It had some connection to when it was proposed that gay marriage should be on the statute books.”

How do you define "disproportionate" in this sense? How many gay people should there be in parliament in your view?
MAW
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“What's funny about it? It just seemed to come out of nowhere - it had no punchline or anything. Even Clarkson seemed a bit baffled by it.”

It's a joke about the news in Finland. I didn't laugh either, I tend to be au fait with British affairs, and our nearer European neighbours, but not Finland. So sure, it's not funny to us in any way. The show has a multinational audience, and just because we here don't understand something, it doesn't mean it's not funny somewhere else. As I understand it, far from being homophobic, he was taking the piss out of an advert that got banned as homophobic. I'm not sure though, as the articles about it are in Finnish, and it might as well be double Dutch as far as I'm concerned The show was made in Finland, hence the attempt at topical humour. Might well be a fail there too for all we know, but still absolutely nothing for anyone to get on their high horse about. This whole thread is about the Top Gear crew, and the hatred of them in some circles. So keen to get them for something, they are overlooking their own ignorance.
D_Mcd4
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“There are in fact a disproportionate amount of gay people in parliament and other places of high office, as opposed to other minority groups, so I would say they probably do 'get the most oil' as they are some of the ones holding the oil can.

I'm trying to think where I saw this report - it's a while ago now. It had some connection to when it was proposed that gay marriage should be on the statute books.”

Is it the subsidised ice cream?
anne_666
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by MAW:
“It's a joke about the news in Finland. I didn't laugh either, I tend to be au fait with British affairs, and our nearer European neighbours, but not Finland. So sure, it's not funny to us in any way. The show has a multinational audience, and just because we here don't understand something, it doesn't mean it's not funny somewhere else. As I understand it, far from being homophobic, he was taking the piss out of an advert that got banned as homophobic. I'm not sure though, as the articles about it are in Finnish, and it might as well be double Dutch as far as I'm concerned The show was made in Finland, hence the attempt at topical humour. Might well be a fail there too for all we know, but still absolutely nothing for anyone to get on their high horse about. This whole thread is about the Top Gear crew, and the hatred of them in some circles. So keen to get them for something, they are overlooking their own ignorance.”

If it's true, the ad wasn't about him taking ice cream to the woman.
It was broadcast in 2010, the script writers must have been desperate to give him something "witty" to say to dig back that far. Never mind, by remaining silent they've got the publicity they needed!
http://www.seenit.co.uk/the-grand-to...monds-odd-gag/
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“It’s now been suggested that the line was a reference to this 2010 Finnish ice cream advert in which a guy manages to woo a seemingly straight lad simply by giving him an ice cream
Could that be the explanation for the otherwise odd and meaningless comment?
But if that is the case, isn’t 2010 a rather a long time ago to be mining for gags? And surely the team would’ve known the reference would make no sense for the wider audience and that controversy would follow?”

Originally Posted by Faust:
“Sweet7 - the thing is, discrimination against a whole host of people and behaviours in society (and that's any society) is widespread. Some of it is overt some not so much, quite often people don't even realise that what they say and do is discriminatory.

Disabled people have it really bad at times. Taxis will often drive past a disabled person because they don't want the hassle of dealing with them. They often can't access restaurants, they face discrimination in the work place and then there are people who actually shout abuse at them.

Laws were passed years ago to sort out these issues and yet they are rarely enforced. Homeless people are another section of society that are badly abused. To be honest the list is almost endless.

However, most of these groups rarely complain and go about their lives with great stoicism. For some reason though the gay community think they are a special case above all others and always appear to make the most noise when the feel slighted in any way - why is that?”

The old chestnut makes it's appearance.
The gay community don't make the most noise. Some people just don't seem to like it when they do speak out. Why is that?

LGBT people don't ask for special treatment, they simply ask for equality. Is that wrong?
They don't expect to be mocked, discriminated against and assaulted by the smug homophobic who are afraid and threatened by anyone different to themselves and have a defensive pathetic need to try to convince themselves they're somehow superior because of their own sexuality.

Originally Posted by Faust:
“There are in fact a disproportionate amount of gay people in parliament and other places of high office, as opposed to other minority groups, so I would say they probably do 'get the most oil' as they are some of the ones holding the oil can.

I'm trying to think where I saw this report - it's a while ago now. It had some connection to when it was proposed that gay marriage should be on the statute books.”

What does that actually mean to you, is it some kind of threat?
Are anyone else's minority sexual preferences disproportionately represented?
Andrew1954
30-12-2016
Dear Marge, I had some icecream yesterday. Does this make me gay? It was homemade by my (female) partner. Does this mean she's a lesbian? Worried of Walls End.
Nakatomi
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“There are in fact a disproportionate amount of gay people in parliament and other places of high office, as opposed to other minority groups, so I would say they probably do 'get the most oil' as they are some of the ones holding the oil can.

I'm trying to think where I saw this report - it's a while ago now. It had some connection to when it was proposed that gay marriage should be on the statute books.”

By disproportionate do you mean "some"? Because we know if it were up to you, gay people wouldn't hold any office, would they?

If you're going to be a homophobe, be open about it instead of going about it in a roundabout way and quoting the equality act/statistics at us.

Methinks you doth protest too much. Have you got something to tell us, Faust? Can we expect some photos of you partying at Heaven in the coming days?
Faust
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by 1fab:
“Just realised which thread I'm in!

But.... are you suggesting there is some kind of ideal ratio of minority groups, which should not be exceeded?”

No not at all. I was implying that they may exert an undue amount of influence as opposed to other minority groups, by the very fact they have superior numbers at the seat of power.
Faust
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“By disproportionate do you mean "some"? Because we know if it were up to you, gay people wouldn't hold any office, would they?

If you're going to be a homophobe, be open about it instead of going about it in a roundabout way and quoting the equality act/statistics at us.

Methinks you doth protest too much. Have you got something to tell us, Faust? Can we expect some photos of you partying at Heaven in the coming days?”

You're making a lot of wild assumptions and insinuations on my behalf based on absolutely nothing. I don't see much of a difference between your posts and those of other Internet trolls. You come across as rather immature. Sorry but I'm not biting.
jjwales
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“No not at all. I was implying that they may exert an undue amount of influence as opposed to other minority groups, by the very fact they have superior numbers at the seat of power.”

How did you come by this information?
jjwales
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“You're making a lot of wild assumptions and insinuations on my behalf based on absolutely nothing.”

Well, I wouldn't say it was "absolutely nothing". You are kind of asking for that sort of response.
Faust
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“

LGBT people don't ask for special treatment, they simply ask for equality.
”

Well let's examine that one a bit more closely. Until gay marriage was legalised gay couples could have a civil partnership. That entitled those that choose to go down this route, tax breaks amongst other things and if one of them died, the ability to pass on the others pension rights i.e. similar to a widows pension.

None of those rights and tax breaks are open to a heterosexual couple who simply decide to co-habit rather than choosing to get married, no matter how long they stay together.

I would say that isn't equality for the gay community that's superiority.
eggchen
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“Well a) Hammond isn't a comedian and, b) A joke has to have some sort of basis in reality. If it was a joke about how some gay people lisp or something, you could defend that (even though it still would be a piss-poor joke) but this is just mental. Which is why it seems like it's something he actually believes - even the other two blokes seemed a bit baffled by it.”

The joke is in the absurdity of it. Jokes can be abstract, they don't have be delivered by a comedian nor do they need to have any kind of logic or basis in reality.

Bo Selecta's depiction of Craig David as an earphone wearing Yorkshireman with a kestrel and a urostomy bag was as absurd as it gets, but it used to make me laugh.
Faust
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“Well, I wouldn't say it was "absolutely nothing". You are kind of asking for that sort of response.”

You can't claim to respect free speech and democracy then start making this sort of wild unfounded allegations. You either believe in free speech without hinderance or you don't.

If you start to verbally abuse people simply because you disagree with their point of view then you don't believe in the right of free speech. It really is as black and white as that.
Faust
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“How did you come by this information?”

Read back a few posts for your answer.
scottie2121
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“You're making a lot of wild assumptions and insinuations on my behalf based on absolutely nothing. I don't see much of a difference between your posts and those of other Internet trolls. You come across as rather immature. Sorry but I'm not biting.”


No. You're just being evasive . . again.
noodkleopatra
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“Well let's examine that one a bit more closely. Until gay marriage was legalised gay couples could have a civil partnership. That entitled those that choose to go down this route, tax breaks amongst other things and if one of them died, the ability to pass on the others pension rights i.e. similar to a widows pension.

None of those rights and tax breaks are open to a heterosexual couple who simply decide to co-habit rather than choosing to get married, no matter how long they stay together.

I would say that isn't equality for the gay community that's superiority.”

You think gay people wanting to marry - like every other idiot who wants to marry in the country - is superiority? I mean, really?! You need to dust those chips from your shoulder, dear...
scottie2121
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“No not at all. I was implying that they may exert an undue amount of influence as opposed to other minority groups, by the very fact they have superior numbers at the seat of power.”

Shudder!!

People's sexuality influencing their views, eh?

Have you got a problem with homosexuality and/or people who are homosexual?


It also sounds like you're suggesting the majority of MPs are gay? How do you know this and is it a problem if a fact?
Nakatomi
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by noodkleopatra:
“You think gay people wanting to marry - like every other idiot who wants to marry in the country - is superiority? I mean, really?! You need to dust those chips from your shoulder, dear...”

Personally, I always supported gay marriage. If they want to be as miserable as the rest of us, let them!
jjwales
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“Well let's examine that one a bit more closely. Until gay marriage was legalised gay couples could have a civil partnership. That entitled those that choose to go down this route, tax breaks amongst other things and if one of them died, the ability to pass on the others pension rights i.e. similar to a widows pension.

None of those rights and tax breaks are open to a heterosexual couple who simply decide to co-habit rather than choosing to get married, no matter how long they stay together.

I would say that isn't equality for the gay community that's superiority.”

If you're complaining that civil partnerships aren't open to heterosexual couples, that was a government decision and has nothing to do with the gay community. In any case the benefits of civil partnership and marriage are exactly the same. There is no superiority.
jjwales
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“Read back a few posts for your answer.”

There is no answer.
scottie2121
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“You can't claim to respect free speech and democracy then start making this sort of wild unfounded allegations. You either believe in free speech without hinderance or you don't.

If you start to verbally abuse people simply because you disagree with their point of view then you don't believe in the right of free speech. It really is as black and white as that.”

I believe in free speech however that doesn't mean you have the right to say what you like without challenge or disagreement.

Say whatever you want but accept responsibility for what you say and expect there to be responses that you may not like. You seem to be struggling with this concept - and this reality.
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