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Richard Hammond under fire after saying men who eat ice cream are "gay"
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Pumping Iron
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“I hope so, although the 5 people in this thread demonstrate that there are people like that, maybe the new forum could have a ❅ symbol next to their name so we know and can be careful around them.”

Yes there are eternally offended people out there (usually on the behalf of others), let them get on with being offended, it won't stop me watching or saying what I want. If nobody ever told a racist, homophobic, sexist etc joke ever again, people would still find something to get offended about.
dee123
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“I've never heard it until recently, and I've been around since the early days of the internet!. It's only in the last few months that it seems to have caught on in general use.”

To be fair it's origins are American, sometimes those things take a while.
barbeler
27-12-2016
I'm surprised that anybody cares what Richard Hammond thinks.
dee123
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“I hope so, although the 5 people in this thread demonstrate that there are people like that, maybe the new forum could have a ❅ symbol next to their name so we know and can be careful around them.”

What symbol will arrogant selfish dicks get?
Thine Wonk
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Chief_Wiggum❅:
“No, bur there's a difference between making an edgy joke that is funny, and being a moron. Hammond is a moron.



Can you explain how that joke wasn't homophobic/offensive to gay people?

The whole point of Amazon Prime is that people can stream episodes of The Grand Tour whenever they like. Therefore, not everybody watches the episode at the same time, and so any offensive caused by stupid comments on the show will take time to trickle through. Doesn't make Hammond any less of a dick.

Just because offensive comments are branded "a joke" doesn't mean they aren't offensive. Whether humour was intended or not doesn't mean that what was said is any less offensive or wrong.”

Some people find things funny that others don't. As I said earlier we all have something that would potentially match "us" gay, straight, black, white, fat, thin, ginger, pale, Irish, Tory, Labour (keep going...)

This really isn't a big thing, so silly for people to get so upset on Twitter over it and it just demonstrates how silly this political correctness thing has gone. I wish we did'n't have people like you spoiling comedy and being so over sensitive.
Chief_Wiggum
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“Kids were also being sexually and physically abused by people in positions of power; girls who got pregnant were sent away and shunned; gay people were beaten up routinely for being gay. Yep. The 'good old days'. The problem with the 'good old days' is that those jokes made discrimination and hate acceptable. It made crimes against people based on ethnicity or sexual orientation more acceptable. That atmosphere was toxic.

To qualify as a joke, it has to have some kind of pun or punchline. What's funny about saying that eating ice-cream looks gay?

And mine. Calling someone a snowflake is just so bloody lazy. No attempt at a counter argument, discussion or debate. Just shut it down with 'snowflake'. Lazy. Lazy. Lazy.”

Completely agree with everything here. What amazes me is that some people will defend the Top Gear trio to the death even if they have quite clearly made offensive comments. Children watch this programme- do we really want Richard Hammond telling them that homosexuality is wrong/bad?
Chief_Wiggum
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“Some people find things funny that others don't. As I said earlier we all have something that would potentially match "us" gay, straight, black, white, fat, thin, ginger, pale, Irish, Tory, Labour (keep going...)

This really isn't a big thing, so silly for people to get so upset on Twitter over it and it just demonstrates how silly this political correctness thing has gone. I wish we did'n't have people like you spoiling comedy and being so over sensitive.”

It's not comedy. It wasn't even a joke. Just a moron making a tasteless remark. That's not "comedy".
Thine Wonk
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Chief_Wiggum❅:
“Completely agree with everything here. What amazes me is that some people will defend the Top Gear trio to the death even if they have quite clearly made offensive comments. Children watch this programme- do we really want Richard Hammond telling them that homosexuality is wrong/bad?”

Oh now it's "children watch" so lets pull anything children can't see, maybe we should make the whole thing censored down to a children's program level.
CELT1987
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Chief_Wiggum:
“Completely agree with everything here. What amazes me is that some people will defend the Top Gear trio to the death even if they have quite clearly made offensive comments. Children watch this programme- do we really want Richard Hammond telling them that homosexuality is wrong/bad?”

He didn't say it was bad if you watched the joke.

Have you actually watched it?
Thine Wonk
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Chief_Wiggum❅:
“It's not comedy. It wasn't even a joke. Just a moron making a tasteless remark. That's not "comedy".”

Not your idea of comedy.
stoatie
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by dee123:
“To be fair it's origins are American, sometimes those things take a while.”

First time I saw it was in Palahniuk's Fight Club.
Pumping Iron
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“I think it does if you've taken to the Twitter storm over something so minor.”

Well I don't have twitter and I'm not easily offended, but it seems you're easily offended about other people being offended!
Stiggles
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Chief_Wiggum:
“No, bur there's a difference between making an edgy joke that is funny, and being a moron. Hammond is a moron.



Can you explain how that joke wasn't homophobic/offensive to gay people?

The whole point of Amazon Prime is that people can stream episodes of The Grand Tour whenever they like. Therefore, not everybody watches the episode at the same time, and so any offensive caused by stupid comments on the show will take time to trickle through. Doesn't make Hammond any less of a dick.

Just because offensive comments are branded "a joke" doesn't mean they aren't offensive. Whether humour was intended or not doesn't mean that what was said is any less offensive or wrong.”

Yes it's streamed, but the vast majority will watch it on release. Therefore some numpty who got offended has started all this for no reason.

It wasnt homophobic and it wasn't offensive. It was merely a joke that YOU didn't like. I didn't find it funny either, but i wasn't offended!

The problem here is people like you who carry on about how everything is homophobic and offensive, Sure we have to have a line, but you are taking this too far now.

So again, care to furnish us with what you watch?
patsylimerick
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“He didn't say it was bad if you watched the joke.

Have you actually watched it?”

So what was he saying?
Thine Wonk
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Pumping Iron:
“Well I don't have twitter and I'm not easily offended, but it seems you're easily offended about other people being offended! ”

No just annoyed that we don't see half the comedy that we used to because of the serially offended and fed up with seeing Twitter storm in a teacups over such minor things that usually only last a day or so.
Stiggles
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“He didn't say it was bad if you watched the joke.

Have you actually watched it?”

I'm willing to bet he hasn't watched the full thing at all.
Stiggles
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“So what was he saying?”

Instead of asking someone so you can still be offended about it, go and watch it. Then make up your mind.
patsylimerick
27-12-2016
So who's more offended? The people who think Hammond's a moronic idiot for saying that it's gay to eat ice-cream? Or the people who think that you can't call him a moronic idiot for saying it? The latter seem angrier to me.
Susie_Smith
27-12-2016
Do men actually like ice cream? I never realised
Stiggles
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“So who's more offended? The people who think Hammond's a moronic idiot for saying that it's gay to eat ice-cream? Or the people who think that you can't call him a moronic idiot for saying it? The latter seem angrier to me.”

Where?
Pumping Iron
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“No just annoyed that we don't see half the comedy that we used to because of the serially offended and fed up with seeing Twitter storm in a teacups over such minor things that usually only last a day or so.”

What don't we see? The comedy and general content from Top Gear to The Grand Tour has gotten more 'risqué'.

You see more people moaning, but what exactly has stopped?
Chief_Wiggum
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“I'm willing to bet he hasn't watched the full thing at all.”

You'd be out of pocket. I watched it last night and was appalled at both the homophobia and the poor quality of the programme in general. The phrase "how the mighty have fallen" came to mind.
CELT1987
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Chief_Wiggum:
“You'd be out of pocket. I watched it last night and was appalled at both the homophobia and the poor quality of the programme in general. The phrase "how the mighty have fallen" came to mind.”

Bet your the type who constantly moans about Clarkson, yet continue to watch him.

I take it you've watched the old Top Gear before? Yet your suprised about seeing non-pc jokes in it?
muggins14
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Hank Schrader:
“I don't know who came up with that ridiculous new term but it REALLY gets on my tits.”

Mine too - and they are big tits

Originally Posted by jjwales:
“You may be overreacting, as I doubt it's quite as bad as that. Anyway, there's no particular merit in being deliberately offensive.”

Well, it works for Hammond & co I imagine it's in the job description.

Originally Posted by Hank Schrader:
“I'm not offended, in fact I am glad he said it. I now know the half-pint prick is a dick head and a moron and I can ignore anything he may have to say in future.”

Surely you knew this before? They are relegated to the outer echelons of the TV where people pay to watch them, so really there's no need to see them unless you make a conscious choice to do so.

Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“And mine. Calling someone a snowflake is just so bloody lazy. No attempt at a counter argument, discussion or debate. Just shut it down with 'snowflake'. Lazy. Lazy. Lazy.”

Yes, I completely agree with this.

Originally Posted by barbeler:
“I'm surprised that anybody cares what Richard Hammond thinks.”

Me too - after all, the only people who are watching him are those who choose to - you can't just flick over the TV channels and see the show lurking there. You have to choose to watch it. It's aimed at a certain kind of person, they expect these kind of comments - it's their show. Best leave them to it.

Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“No just annoyed that we don't see half the comedy that we used to because of the serially offended and fed up with seeing Twitter storm in a teacups over such minor things that usually only last a day or so.”

If you call this comedy then perhaps it's a good thing it's in decline

ETA: Love the Daily Mash article - the voice in Hammond's head The voice added: “Clarkson is the star. Sure, we don’t really know why, but there it is.

“James May has a slightly awkward, fogey-ish quality that makes him sufficiently different from Clarkson.

“But you’re just a little fart. So do us both a favour and stop calling things ‘gay’. I don’t want to be the voice inside the head of a bitter has-been who’s selling smoothie makers on a shopping channel.”

That's comedy
Dotheboyshall
27-12-2016
Eating ice cream makes me happy
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