|
||||||||
Midsommer Murders colourful casting |
![]() |
|
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|
#26 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Honiton, Devon
Posts: 1,910
|
Quote:
Hasn't Mr True May now left the show following his comments ?
|
|
|
|
|
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
|
|
|
#27 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nailsworth, Gloucestershire
Posts: 10,402
|
Quote:
how many black/asian families actually live in these rural idylls midsomer supposed to represent....?
and whats wrong with promoting a white english village?... as the poster above correctly identifies eastenders should be almost totally asian... i think if i was asian, id be more angry at eastenders being too white then a rural english village... White British - Population and distribution According to the 2011 census, 91.8% od the population of the South West were classified as "White British", however I would have said if you excluded the cities of Bristol and Gloucester, both of whom have significant non-white populations, I would have said the figure for the region would be well over 95%. That is certainly true where I live in rural Gloucestershire. |
|
|
|
|
|
#28 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: derby
Posts: 14,740
|
Quote:
In reality? Virtually none.
White British - Population and distribution According to the 2011 census, 91.8% od the population of the South West were classified as "White British", however I would have said if you excluded the cities of Bristol and Gloucester, both of whom have significant non-white populations, I would have said the figure for the region would be well over 95%. That is certainly true where I live in rural Gloucestershire. interestingly, have any asians or black people actually moaned about lack of representation in programs like midsomer? i suspect its weak willed liberals the same ones that got the name of 'blackboard' changed to 'chalkboard' or tried to ban 'ba ba black sheep' (thus totally missing the moral of the rhyme). |
|
|
|
|
|
#29 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Newbury
Posts: 6,749
|
Quote:
tried to ban 'ba ba black sheep' (thus totally missing the moral of the rhyme).
|
|
|
|
|
|
#30 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nailsworth, Gloucestershire
Posts: 10,402
|
Quote:
Actually I think that is an urban myth. And I have never noticed a moral in the rhyme - please explain. I'm interested, because many nursery rhymes have a backstory based on fact.
The original rhyme is often said to have originally been a protest about the very high wool tax in the 15th Century. |
|
|
|
|
|
#31 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,800
|
Quote:
So why were there complaints that it did not have ethnic character in it a few months back. Similar to if one watches a TV programme or play that is based on a book, an Agatha Christie for example, they will write in some lesbian/gay, ethnic character to make it PC. I can think of no AC novels where they were mentioned.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#32 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: West London
Posts: 24,303
|
Quote:
I do despise that word. What is wrong with using "history"?
On the subject of whether the proportion of non-white people in a real location should dictate the proportion portrayed in a fictional location, surely the answer is no. Midsomer isn't a real place. Casting non-white actors isn't about making it more realistic, it's about being open-minded about casting people regardless of their ethnicity. If the role is the brother or sister of a character played by a white actor, then it makes sense to cast another white actor. But if it's a postman, shop worker, scientist, lawyer, teacher, plumber, whatever, it doesn't matter what skin colour the actor has. It might not be demographically "accurate" for a black person to work in the local brewery but as long as the actor plays the part well, it doesn't matter whether it's "accurate" or not. |
|
|
|
|
|
#33 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Honiton, Devon
Posts: 1,910
|
Quote:
Midsomer isn't a real place.
didn't bring my presents. People today. I ask you!
|
|
|
|
|
|
#34 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: derby
Posts: 14,740
|
Quote:
Actually I think that is an urban myth. And I have never noticed a moral in the rhyme - please explain. I'm interested, because many nursery rhymes have a backstory based on fact.
Quote:
I do despise that word. What is wrong with using "history"?
The original rhyme is often said to have originally been a protest about the very high wool tax in the 15th Century. |
|
|
|
|
|
#35 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: West London
Posts: 24,303
|
https://pcgonemadgonemad.wordpress.c...6/hello-world/ says
This is one of the biggest ‘PC Gone Mad’ urban myths that has spread across the country and the world. A book entitled ‘Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep: The Charge of the PC Brigade‘ was even published based on this incident. Of course, had this ban have actually happened, it would have been a very pointless and hysterical matter indeed. But it didn’t happen at all. |
|
|
|
|
|
#36 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 942
|
Quote:
... Casting non-white actors isn't about making it more realistic, it's about being open-minded about casting people regardless of their ethnicity.
If the role is the brother or sister of a character played by a white actor, then it makes sense to cast another white actor. But if it's a postman, shop worker, scientist, lawyer, teacher, plumber, whatever, it doesn't matter what skin colour the actor has. It might not be demographically "accurate" for a black person to work in the local brewery but as long as the actor plays the part well, it doesn't matter whether it's "accurate" or not. Unfortunately the thread has drifted away from the actual complaint I had, which was neither about whether, nor how many, non-white actors they used, but the clumsy 'one per programme' system they seem to be employing, which makes it look like rigid adherence to some PC rule, rather than genuine diversity. |
|
|
|
|
|
#37 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Honiton, Devon
Posts: 1,910
|
Quote:
got the name of 'blackboard' changed to 'chalkboard'
|
|
|
|
|
|
#38 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Newbury
Posts: 6,749
|
Quote:
What there has been is a movement away from blackboards in schools as the more convenient and less messy whiteboards and then smartboards have replaced them. There are many pupils in school today who have never seen a blackboard.
Re baa baa black sheep, there was an 8 page discussion about this back in 2007 ![]() http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=551743 I think it's popped up several times before and since. |
|
|
|
|
|
#39 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 726
|
Quote:
Yes.
Unfortunately the thread has drifted away from the actual complaint I had, which was neither about whether, nor how many, non-white actors they used, but the clumsy 'one per programme' system they seem to be employing, which makes it look like rigid adherence to some PC rule, rather than genuine diversity. |
|
|
|
|
|
#40 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Tatooine
Posts: 1,500
|
The repeat that's on now, she will always be Tiffany from EastEnders.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#41 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 15,066
|
Quote:
Surely a school would have to have at least one token blackboard?
Re baa baa black sheep, there was an 8 page discussion about this back in 2007 ![]() http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=551743 I think it's popped up several times before and since. Sorry, completely off topic, but it just struck me as a bit odd, because meaningless. .
|
|
|
|
|
|
#42 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Honiton, Devon
Posts: 1,910
|
Quote:
There was one than one cast member form an ethnic minority in the last programme although he was non-speaking. There may have been more that I didn't notice.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#43 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Honiton, Devon
Posts: 1,910
|
Quote:
I read the first few posts on that thread, and someone says nursery teachers use different coloured sheep to teach children colours. Why use sheep for this? Black sheep actually exist. Blue and green sheep don't. You can teach those colours using sky and grass.
Sorry, completely off topic, but it just struck me as a bit odd, because meaningless. . ![]() |
|
|
|
|
|
#44 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 15,066
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#45 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 31,153
|
Quote:
yep.... this is why i object to tokenism , its inserting 'non whites' to appease the politically corrects moans.
interestingly, have any asians or black people actually moaned about lack of representation in programs like midsomer? i suspect its weak willed liberals the same ones that got the name of 'blackboard' changed to 'chalkboard' or tried to ban 'ba ba black sheep' (thus totally missing the moral of the rhyme). Have to wonder why anyone still chooses to believe this guff after all these years. What is the moral point in the rhyme, that children are supposed to learn? Do we still get a 'Christmas has been banned' thread in GD around Chrimbo, I don't get over to GD these days. Quote:
I read the first few posts on that thread, and someone says nursery teachers use different coloured sheep to teach children colours. Why use sheep for this? Black sheep actually exist. Blue and green sheep don't. You can teach those colours using sky and grass.
Sorry, completely off topic, but it just struck me as a bit odd, because meaningless. . ![]() As children we watch cartoons or read books where animals speak and use tools, we don't believe that's real life. I used to walk a friends little lad to school, (he's early twenties now) I'd use house doors, cars, etc to teach him colours and counting, use what's to hand. |
|
|
|
|
|
#46 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: derby
Posts: 14,740
|
Quote:
https://pcgonemadgonemad.wordpress.c...6/hello-world/ says
This is one of the biggest ‘PC Gone Mad’ urban myths that has spread across the country and the world. A book entitled ‘Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep: The Charge of the PC Brigade‘ was even published based on this incident. Of course, had this ban have actually happened, it would have been a very pointless and hysterical matter indeed. But it didn’t happen at all. Quote:
Except that they didn't. You can still order blackboards from educational suppliers. Chalkboard is an American term in use since the 1950s which has simply been imported into UK English in the same way that so many other terms have been through familiarity with US TV, comics etc. There has been no overall decline in the use of the word 'blackboard' (and indeed there was a mini-peak in usage early in the last decade) or increase in the use of 'chalkboard'. What there has been is a movement away from blackboards in schools as the more convenient and less messy whiteboards and then smartboards have replaced them. There are many pupils in school today who have never seen a blackboard.
Quote:
Nobody tried to ban ba ba blacksheep or got blackboard changed to chalkboard, both utter bollox.
Quote:
Have to wonder why anyone still chooses to believe this guff after all these years. .......... that despite being a 'black sheep' (ie, different) you can still prosper. do i really have to explain the obvious moral point of a nursery rhyme to an adult?...
What is the moral point in the rhyme, that children are supposed to learn? |
|
|
|
|
|
#47 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: West London
Posts: 24,303
|
Quote:
except ive told you i have got a recent, first hand testimony for them changing the rhyme... it is NOT an urban myth. although it might not have been rolled our nationally as policy.
When I was on the PTA of a local school we spent hours debating whether to buy interactive whiteboards for the classrooms. The topic of blackboards never came up. Why would any school use chalk nowadays? |
|
|
|
|
|
#48 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 1,519
|
In yesterday's MM repeat they had an Afro Caribbean actor in one of the lead parts. With this thread it did stick out a bit. Although his appearance made sense as his white wife was from the village and they had married when she was living in London but they returned to the farm after her parents death. So plot wise a feasible reason for a non white actor to be in the show.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#49 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 15,066
|
Quote:
It's a pointless little rhyme, so why not adapt it to teach colours, you use what's to hand. As children we watch cartoons or read books where animals speak and use tools, we don't believe that's real life. I used to walk a friends little lad to school, (he's early twenties now) I'd use house doors, cars, etc to teach him colours and counting, use what's to hand. You think it's an inspired and inspirational teaching aid to use mythical sheep - I think it's daft. As we're never going to agree, there's no point in continuing with the conversation.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#50 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 31,153
|
Quote:
Coloured sheep aren't "to hand". They don't exist.
You think it's an inspired and inspirational teaching aid to use mythical sheep - I think it's daft. As we're never going to agree, there's no point in continuing with the conversation. ![]() Don't go trying to spin what I've said, I don't like it. |
|
|
|
![]() |
|
All times are GMT. The time now is 13:39.




didn't bring my presents. People today. I ask you!
