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Why did the most knowledgeable and experienced vote for Yes to Brexit?
I have never understood why this is the case.
The older generation with more experience and knowledge were the ones who voted out of the EU, while the younger and less knowledgeable types, myself included voted to remain. There must be a reason why the split exists. was it down to the older generation realising something is rotten in the Eu that the younger generation can't see? |
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I have never understood why this is the case.
The older generation with more experience and knowledge were the ones who voted out of the EU, while the younger and less knowledgeable types, myself included voted to remain. There must be a reason why the split exists. was it down to the older generation realising something is rotten in the Eu that the younger generation can't see? |
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I have never understood why this is the case.
The older generation with more experience and knowledge were the ones who voted out of the EU, while the younger and less knowledgeable types, myself included voted to remain. There must be a reason why the split exists. was it down to the older generation realising something is rotten in the Eu that the younger generation can't see? But they're not old enough to remember all those things had been in decline for decades before we joined the EU. |
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I have never understood why this is the case.
The older generation with more experience and knowledge were the ones who voted out of the EU, while the younger and less knowledgeable types, myself included voted to remain. There must be a reason why the split exists. was it down to the older generation realising something is rotten in the Eu that the younger generation can't see? |
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I have never understood why this is the case.
The older generation with more experience and knowledge were the ones who voted out of the EU, while the younger and less knowledgeable types, myself included voted to remain. There must be a reason why the split exists. was it down to the older generation realising something is rotten in the Eu that the younger generation can't see? |
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I have never understood why this is the case.
The older generation with more experience and knowledge were the ones who voted out of the EU, while the younger and less knowledgeable types, myself included voted to remain. There must be a reason why the split exists. was it down to the older generation realising something is rotten in the Eu that the younger generation can't see? I don't know if the forum search is working yet but I'm sure you'll find your questions answered many times over. If I had to attempt to put it into a nutshell, and I'm generalizing very much here, the younger vote based their vote more on the promise of what they were offered they could get out of it for themselves, e.g. financial security, freedom to move around Europe, and basically relative harmony on the promise that things would stay the same, and the older vote based their vote on the UK having more power over itself and prepared for the risks that may entail because there will inevitably be changes and perhaps turbulence. |
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Surely they've already explained their reasons?
I don't know if the forum search is working yet but I'm sure you'll find your questions answered many times over. If I had to attempt to put it into a nutshell, and I'm generalizing very much here, the younger vote based their vote more on the promise of what they were offered they could get out of it for themselves, e.g. financial security, freedom to move around Europe, and basically harmony, and the older vote based their vote on the UK having more power over itself and prepared for the risks that may entail.
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Harmony and financial security in the EU?
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Perhaps they just flipped an old farthing and head = yes and stay, bird = the bird to the eu?
With the way the information was going with doom and gloom from both sides it probably seemed easier to let lady luck decide
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I have never understood why this is the case.
The older generation with more experience and knowledge were the ones who voted out of the EU, while the younger and less knowledgeable types, myself included voted to remain. There must be a reason why the split exists. was it down to the older generation realising something is rotten in the Eu that the younger generation can't see? The groupS showing three quarters and above voting brexit, were the ones who just missed the war . They played fighting WW2 in the playground, and became more nationalistic - while many of those who actually fought in ww2 became strong advocates of European collaboration - to avoid another one. Its nationalistic Mainwaring, who served in 1919, versus give and take, Wilson, who served throughout WW1. The older generations were also the only ones who could have a false memory of how wonderful things were, in the sickman of Europe, in the fifties and sixties. Anyone younger, could just read about our failure then- doing what brexit was proposing again. And, in a referendum where immigration was the biggest issue , they were the ones who remembered a land without minorities of any size - no Polish food in Tescos, or asylum seekers , or inwards brain drain from Europe. A younger generation, brought up in a multi-cultural society, on the whole, just doesn't worry about the people , and norm, its grown up with. Cameron's problem was also undoing decades of indoctrination, by the far right press barons, and their tabloids. Guess which generations read the Mail, Express, Telegraph and Sun and which don't? And, finally, there's a generational division, between generations that haven't gained from golbalisation , lack new skills, have stayed in run down areas, and don't travel widely, and a younger generation where the more successful take jobs globally , move to where the work is , or university course is, travel more, and have more in common with people overseas, that share the same views , jobs and interest. its a problem thats not going to go away - because death and 18th birthdays are already changing the electorate - and destroying any majority for Leave. We are now in a unique experiment where we allowed a referendum to be settled with different generations taking opposite views. We now have a situation where younger generations, will, increasingly, find they are denied having what they want, by the votes, years before, of dead voters. |
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The older generations that voted 60-80% for brexit were the ones where most people left school at 14, only 25-25% got any form of academic education, and only 10-20% went to university. They are the ones who Gove was aiming at dismissing experts. Younger generations have been taught to analyse and evaluate experts, not just dismiss them all, and not to respect people whose arguments fall apart, and are just simple slogans.
The groupS showing three quarters and above voting brexit, were the ones who just missed the war . They played fighting WW2 in the playground, and became more nationalistic - while many of those who actually fought in ww2 became strong advocates of European collaboration - to avoid another one. Its nationalistic Mainwaring, who served in 1919, versus give and take, Wilson, who served throughout WW1. The older generations were also the only ones who could have a false memory of how wonderful things were, in the sickman of Europe, in the fifties and sixties. Anyone younger, could just read about our failure then- doing what brexit was proposing again. And, in a referendum where immigration was the biggest issue , they were the ones who remembered a land without minorities of any size - no Polish food in Tescos, or asylum seekers , or inwards brain drain from Europe. A younger generation, brought up in a multi-cultural society, on the whole, just doesn't worry about the people , and norm, its grown up with. Cameron's problem was also undoing decades of indoctrination, by the far right press barons, and their tabloids. Guess which generations read the Mail, Express, Telegraph and Sun and which don't? And, finally, there's a generational division, between generations that haven't gained from golbalisation , lack new skills, have stayed in run down areas, and don't travel widely, and a younger generation where the more successful take jobs globally , move to where the work is , or university course is, travel more, and have more in common with people overseas, that share the same views , jobs and interest. its a problem thats not going to go away - because death and 18th birthdays are already changing the electorate - and destroying any majority for Leave. We are now in a unique experiment where we allowed a referendum to be settled with different generations taking opposite views. We now have a situation where younger generations, will, increasingly, find they are denied having what they want, by the votes, years before, of dead voters. What experts? Those who openly admitted they used scaremongering tactic and exaggerated when it comes to post Brexit economy? No experts can know how Brexit would turn out because it depends on various conditions, mainly on how the government will negotiate Brexit terms. So unless they have a crystal ball, they can't know whether we will be better off outside the EU. If you consider David Cameron and his advisors experts, why they opted for referendum in the first place? Again, because they thought their scaremongering tactic would work and people would vote to stay in. That hasn't happened just because people recognised the lies that came out from the mouth of various experts, politicians and others who campaigned for Bremain. |
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Harmony and financial security in the EU?
![]() As for financial security , we are still undergoing the after shocks from 2008, having resisted QE (unlike the UK). And growth in Greece is the same as or better than the UK's. |
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The older generation with more experience and knowledge ? |
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The older generation remember when we used to trade with Australia and New Zealand and had a larger fishing industry,
But they're not old enough to remember all those things had been in decline for decades before we joined the EU. |
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Surely they've already explained their reasons?
I don't know if the forum search is working yet but I'm sure you'll find your questions answered many times over. If I had to attempt to put it into a nutshell, and I'm generalizing very much here, the younger vote based their vote more on the promise of what they were offered they could get out of it for themselves, e.g. financial security, freedom to move around Europe, and basically relative harmony on the promise that things would stay the same, and the older vote based their vote on the UK having more power over itself and prepared for the risks that may entail because there will inevitably be changes and perhaps turbulence. |
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Tell that to the Greeks and other southern European countries savaged by the Troika.
94% support for remaining in the EU 91% support for remaining in the euro zone. and even Syriza agrees. please stop telling the Greek people what you think is good for them .This is not the 1960s. they seem to know and be unanimous that their problems have nothing to do with the EU.. |
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The older and more experienced were older and more experienced enough to know the young are being fed bullshit by the truckload.
The way to prosperity is through free and fair competition, not protected markets. Continuing the protected single market is economic suicide for the average working person. |
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Greek polls:
94% support for remaining in the EU 91% support for remaining in the euro zone. and even Syriza agrees. please stop telling the Greek people what you think is good for them .This is not the 1960s. they seem to know and be unanimous that their problems have nothing to do with the EU.. |
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The older and more experienced were older and more experienced enough to know the young are being fed bullshit by the truckload.
The way to prosperity is through free and fair competition, not protected markets. Continuing the protected single market is economic suicide for the average working person. |
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94% support for remaining in the EU 91% support for remaining in the euro zone. and even Syriza agrees. please stop telling the Greek people what you think is good for them .This is not the 1960s. they seem to know and be unanimous that their problems have nothing to do with the EU.. At present, they are trapped inside the EU. They should have defaulted on their debts when they had the chance. As for your poll, have you the source, please? |
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A marginal majority of the British had been brainwashed into thinking the EU is the cause of all their problems.
The reality will dawn on them eventually. |
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Exactly. And younger people are/will lose the most by ignorantly believing that the EU is the only way to function.
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Maybe many of all generations were savvy enough to understand that the austerity and the pro-Big Business agenda as pushed by the EU is a bad thing.
And this thread is predicated on younger people being less anti EU. |
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