Why did the most knowledgeable and experienced vote for Yes to Brexit?

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Blairdennon

29-12-2016

Originally Posted by seventhwave:
“On one hand I despise the smugness of some Leave voters who look down on young Remainers/young people in general as "spoilt snowflakes who don't know about the real world". Also, there are a number of young people who are vocal about voting Leave, and are angry at the suggestion that the younger generation was or should be overwhelmingly pro-Remain.

On the other hand, I do get angry when young Remainers refer to people in their 40s/50s or even late 30s as "old, out of touch" etc and imply they shouldn't have had a say. For heaven's sake, they're not elderly. They will, if all is well, have the rest of middle age and then old age left; they have as much right to fear for their own future as younger people do.”

I think many of the older generation fear for the well being of their own children, grandchildren and great grandchildren and that is why they have voted Leave. An institution that poses as a democracy whilst taking undemocratic decisions is a very dangerous beast indeed.

Penny Crayon

29-12-2016

Originally Posted by Blairdennon:
“I think many of the older generation fear for the well being of their own children, grandchildren and great grandchildren and that is why they have voted Leave. An institution that poses as a democracy whilst taking undemocratic decisions is a very dangerous beast indeed.”

Yes - and that is why I voted Remain.

We all have our reasons - I don't think caring, loving and being concerned for our children and grand children is exclusive to the Brexit camp - in spite of what that silly old tart Andrea Leadsom would have had you believe

wizzywick

29-12-2016

Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“The older generations that voted 60-80% for brexit were the ones where most people left school at 14, only 25-25% got any form of academic education, and only 10-20% went to university. They are the ones who Gove was aiming at dismissing experts. Younger generations have been taught to analyse and evaluate experts, not just dismiss them all, and not to respect people whose arguments fall apart, and are just simple slogans.

The groupS showing three quarters and above voting brexit, were the ones who just missed the war . They played fighting WW2 in the playground, and became more nationalistic - while many of those who actually fought in ww2 became strong advocates of European collaboration - to avoid another one. Its nationalistic Mainwaring, who served in 1919, versus give and take, Wilson, who served throughout WW1.

The older generations were also the only ones who could have a false memory of how wonderful things were, in the sickman of Europe, in the fifties and sixties. Anyone younger, could just read about our failure then- doing what brexit was proposing again.

And, in a referendum where immigration was the biggest issue , they were the ones who remembered a land without minorities of any size - no Polish food in Tescos, or asylum seekers , or inwards brain drain from Europe. A younger generation, brought up in a multi-cultural society, on the whole, just doesn't worry about the people , and norm, its grown up with.

Cameron's problem was also undoing decades of indoctrination, by the far right press barons, and their tabloids. Guess which generations read the Mail, Express, Telegraph and Sun and which don't?

And, finally, there's a generational division, between generations that haven't gained from golbalisation , lack new skills, have stayed in run down areas, and don't travel widely, and a younger generation where the more successful take jobs globally , move to where the work is , or university course is, travel more, and have more in common with people overseas, that share the same views , jobs and interest.

its a problem thats not going to go away - because death and 18th birthdays are already changing the electorate - and destroying any majority for Leave. We are now in a unique experiment where we allowed a referendum to be settled with different generations taking opposite views. We now have a situation where younger generations, will, increasingly, find they are denied having what they want, by the votes, years before, of dead voters.”

Had the Government backed Brexit, they would have found equal numbers of "experts" to support their cause.

andykn

29-12-2016

Originally Posted by The infidel:
“I dont need to come up with examples. The fact that the EU is institutionally corrupt, operates and imposes itself by stealth and takes £millions a week out of the country that could be more wisely spent on our NHS and schools are reasons enough for me.”

But those millions to be more wisely spent are no use if pretty much every credible economist is correct and the UK economy suffers ongoing economic damage.

andykn

29-12-2016

Originally Posted by Joe1500:
“?????”

It means that plenty of people haven't a clue where economics is concerned.

andykn

29-12-2016

Originally Posted by Blairdennon:
“I think many of the older generation fear for the well being of their own children, grandchildren and great grandchildren and that is why they have voted Leave. An institution that poses as a democracy whilst taking undemocratic decisions is a very dangerous beast indeed.”

Like the new "snooper's charter" you mean?

andykn

29-12-2016

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Had the Government backed Brexit, they would have found equal numbers of "experts" to support their cause.”

You are getting cause and effect mixed up.

GreatGodPan

30-12-2016

Originally Posted by andykn:
“It means that plenty of people haven't a clue where economics is concerned.”

I agree. I studied "A" level economics hundreds of years ago (it was capitalist economics, of course). I was given an "O level pass in it - I don't think the marker liked the Marxist spin I put on my answers!

I would not presume to think that someone who never studied it at any level is necessarily less knowledgable in the subject than me.

Don't you agree?

paulschapman

30-12-2016

A, B or C

- mine was a B

Quote:
“I would not presume to think that someone who never studied it at any level is necessarily less knowledgable in the subject than me.

Don't you agree?”

Not exactly, but then I am a strong believer in lifetime learning (not necessarily in a structured environment). You can find enough information - even more so now with the internet - to teach yourself at least at a basic level. I would suggest I have learnt more history since leaving school than I ever did in school.

GreatGodPan

30-12-2016

Originally Posted by paulschapman:
“[1]A, B or C - mine was a B

Not exactly, but then I am a strong believer in lifetime learning (not necessarily in a structured environment). You can find enough information - even more so now with the internet - to teach yourself at least at a basic level.[2] I would suggest I have learnt more history since leaving school than I ever did in school.”

1. They didn't state the grade (which were numbers in my day in "O" levels), just that it was a pass. I knew I wouldn't pass my A-level judging by my answers!

2.History was the one A level I did pass at school, but I agree with you that education dhould be the springboard for the getting of a greater insight/knowledge in any subject you desire. School (or uni) is just the beginning.

andykn

30-12-2016

Originally Posted by GreatGodPan:
“I agree. I studied "A" level economics hundreds of years ago (it was capitalist economics, of course). I was given an "O level pass in it - I don't think the marker liked the Marxist spin I put on my answers!

I would not presume to think that someone who never studied it at any level is necessarily less knowledgable in the subject than me.

Don't you agree?”

Yes..

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