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The older and more experienced were older and more experienced enough to know the young are being fed bullshit by the truckload.
The way to prosperity is through free and fair competition, not protected markets. Continuing the protected single market is economic suicide for the average working person. |
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The Greeks like the Irish, have been brainwashed into thinking the EU is the answer to all their problems. The reality will dawn on them eventually.
how very Brexiter of you. |
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What experts? Those who openly admitted they used scaremongering tactic and exaggerated when it comes to post Brexit economy? No experts can know how Brexit would turn out because it depends on various conditions, mainly on how the government will negotiate Brexit terms. So unless they have a crystal ball, they can't know whether we will be better off outside the EU. If you consider David Cameron and his advisors experts, why they opted for referendum in the first place? Again, because they thought their scaremongering tactic would work and people would vote to stay in. That hasn't happened just because people recognised the lies that came out from the mouth of various experts, politicians and others who campaigned for Bremain.
We can tell that we are much more likely to be worse off outside the EU than in it. Just because we can't say for 100% certainty isn't a good reason to take that risk without some idea of how we might be better off. |
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At least younger people are more likely to know who the Prime Minister is. My mum wasn't and yet she could vote for something as important as leaving the EU!
might as well throw in a bit of probability and some solving simultaneous equations and knowledge of Latin pro-nouns and if you cannot translate the following Lopado*temacho*selacho*galeo*kranio*leipsano*drim*hypo*trimmato*silphio*parao*melito*katakechy*meno*kichl*epi*kossypho*phatto*perister*alektryon*opte*kephallio*kigklo*peleio*lagoio*siraio*baphe*tragano*pterygon at the polling station on demand then you do not deserve to even register for a vote in my opinion. |
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The Greeks know only too well about the vicious austerity measures the Troika has imposed in return for bail outs.
At present, they are trapped inside the EU. They should have defaulted on their debts when they had the chance. As for your poll, have you the source, please? the polls were done at the height of the crisis the summer before last. support for the EU now is likely higher still. Greek people have historical reasons for supporting the EU which you clearly do not understand. |
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The way to prosperity is through free and fair competition, not protected markets. Continuing the protected single market is economic suicide for the average working person.
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The older and more experienced set are also more likely to read the Daily Mail.
Fair play. |
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in other words you think all these foreigners are stupid ?
how very Brexiter of you. |
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The Greeks know only too well about the vicious austerity measures the Troika has imposed in return for bail outs.
At present, they are trapped inside the EU. They should have defaulted on their debts when they had the chance. As for your poll, have you the source, please? |
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And that's one area where better educated youngsters have the advantage, they have been taught the analytical skills to understand that knowledge isn't binary, it's not a matter of knowing or not knowing with nothing in between.
We can tell that we are much more likely to be worse off outside the EU than in it. Just because we can't say for 100% certainty isn't a good reason to take that risk without some idea of how we might be better off. You say that it's more likely we'll be worse off outside the EU. Based on what data you have concluded that, when UK is still in the EU. Your analytical skills seem to have failed you as you do not have anything to analyse yet and your opinions are based on speculations and ungrounded predictions. Only after we fully leave the EU we can tell if we'll be worse or better off. At least we should wait for the official negotiations to start. |
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I think you should have stopped after 'I have never understood'!
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The problem with "defaulting" on your debts is twofold. One it's fundamentally dishonest to borrow money, spend it and then not pay it back. The other is that no-one will lend you money so austerity was inevitable anyway. All the Greeks did was choose the route of least austerity.
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And that's one area where better educated youngsters have the advantage, they have been taught the analytical skills to understand that knowledge isn't binary, it's not a matter of knowing or not knowing with nothing in between.
We can tell that we are much more likely to be worse off outside the EU than in it. Just because we can't say for 100% certainty isn't a good reason to take that risk without some idea of how we might be better off. However, I'm still looking for a convincing argument as to why anyone who is long-term unemployed, on minimum wage or on a zero hour contract should look at the coming few years with any confidence at all. |
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And that's one area where better educated youngsters have the advantage, they have been taught the analytical skills to understand that knowledge isn't binary, it's not a matter of knowing or not knowing with nothing in between.
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We can tell that we are much more likely to be worse off outside the EU than in it. Just because we can't say for 100% certainty isn't a good reason to take that risk without some idea of how we might be better off.
^ i dont know how much our contribution is to the EU, but whatever we pay it is the only "certainty" of our membership. |
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I have never understood why this is the case.
The older generation with more experience and knowledge were the ones who voted out of the EU, while the younger and less knowledgeable types, myself included voted to remain. There must be a reason why the split exists. was it down to the older generation realising something is rotten in the Eu that the younger generation can't see? |
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Nonsense.
We cant tell anything, other than we pay £20bn?? per annum to the EU, if we stop paying £20bn per annum to the EU we are £20bn per annum better off. ^ i dont know how much our contribution is to the EU, but whatever we pay it is the only "certainty" of our membership. |
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Rather dodgy accounting there. You could say that someone whose commute to work costs them £200 a month would be £200 a month better off if they didn't work there. You'd be ignoring every other factor in their finances, including possibly now having an income of £0, but that's Brexit arithmetic for you.
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We cant tell anything, other than we pay £20bn?? per annum to the EU, if we stop paying £20bn per annum to the EU we are £20bn per annum better off.
. Besides, even if there is a saving how are you expecting to get paid your share and what will you do with it? |
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in other words you know best and 11 million Greeks are too stupid to not see what you see?
the polls were done at the height of the crisis the summer before last. support for the EU now is likely higher still. Greek people have historical reasons for supporting the EU which you clearly do not understand. |
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You're saying our GDP will be 0 when we leave? Hilarious.
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Rather dodgy accounting there. You could say that someone whose commute to work costs them £200 a month would be £200 a month better off if they didn't work there. You'd be ignoring every other factor in their finances, including possibly now having an income of £0, but that's Brexit arithmetic for you.
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I have never understood why this is the case.
The older generation with more experience and knowledge were the ones who voted out of the EU, while the younger and less knowledgeable types, myself included voted to remain. There must be a reason why the split exists. was it down to the older generation realising something is rotten in the Eu that the younger generation can't see? |
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Bit like you are your ilk screaming that you know best and 17 million Brits are too stupid to not see what you see.
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Nonsense.
We cant tell anything, other than we pay £20bn?? per annum to the EU, if we stop paying £20bn per annum to the EU we are £20bn per annum better off. ^ i dont know how much our contribution is to the EU, but whatever we pay it is the only "certainty" of our membership. |
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I think the key word was membership rather than employment. Again, the only certainty of our membership of the EU is the amount we pay. That's not Brexiter or Remainer arithmetic that's the facts.
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