The older and more experienced are not necessarily enslaved to rampant capitalism.

in other words you think all these foreigners are stupid ?

how very Brexiter of you.

And that's one area where better educated youngsters have the advantage, they have been taught the analytical skills to understand that knowledge isn't binary, it's not a matter of knowing or not knowing with nothing in between.

We can tell that we are much more likely to be worse off outside the EU than in it. Just because we can't say for 100% certainty isn't a good reason to take that risk without some idea of how we might be better off.

Since when has knowing who the PM is been a part of being able to vote?

might as well throw in a bit of probability and some solving simultaneous equations and knowledge of Latin pro-nouns and if you cannot translate the following Lopado*temacho*selacho*galeo*kranio*leipsano*drim*hypo*trimmato*silphio*parao*melito*katakechy*meno*kichl*epi*kossypho*phatto*perister*alektryon*opte*kephallio*kigklo*peleio*lagoio*siraio*baphe*tragano*pterygon at the polling station on demand then you do not deserve to even register for a vote in my opinion.

in other words you know best and 11 million Greeks are too stupid to not see what you see?

the polls were done at the height of the crisis the summer before last.

support for the EU now is likely higher still.

Greek people have historical reasons for supporting the EU which you clearly do not understand.

That may be true on the right but many Leftie Leavers want more protectionism, public ownership and state intervention in markets.

The older and more experienced set are also more likely to read the Daily Mail.

Fair play.

They are if they don't believe in self government.

The problem with "defaulting" on your debts is twofold. One it's fundamentally dishonest to borrow money, spend it and then not pay it back. The other is that no-one will lend you money so austerity was inevitable anyway. All the Greeks did was choose the route of least austerity.

You say that it's more likely we'll be worse off outside the EU. Based on what data you have concluded that, when UK is still in the EU. Your analytical skills seem to have failed you as you do not have anything to analyse yet and your opinions are based on speculations and ungrounded predictions. Only after we fully leave the EU we can tell if we'll be worse or better off. At least we should wait for the official negotiations to start.

Very good and quite right!

The Greek government lied about its financial state, encouraged by smooth-talking spivs. That is the sadness the Greek people have to face.

Of course it is the younger, better educated people who are in the best position to survive and perhaps even flourish from the economic shock that is coming. If you are 25 with a degree (or higher qualification) in a good degree from a top University then you'll do fine whatever happens even if it means moving abroad just as many British graduates escaped the economic doldrums of the 70s and early 80s, many never to return.

However, I'm still looking for a convincing argument as to why anyone who is long-term unemployed, on minimum wage or on a zero hour contract should look at the coming few years with any confidence at all.

Nonsense.


We cant tell anything, other than we pay £20bn?? per annum to the EU, if we stop paying £20bn per annum to the EU we are £20bn per annum better off.

^ i dont know how much our contribution is to the EU, but whatever we pay it is the only "certainty" of our membership.

Simple. Because they were lied to and believed those lies.

Rather dodgy accounting there. You could say that someone whose commute to work costs them £200 a month would be £200 a month better off if they didn't work there. You'd be ignoring every other factor in their finances, including possibly now having an income of £0, but that's Brexit arithmetic for you.

You're saying our GDP will be 0 when we leave? Hilarious.

Not if by withdrawing the effect on trade and the economy makes us more than "£20bn??" worse off. £20bn may sound a lot but it's only about 0.5% of GDP or a few months worth of growth which could easily be lost.

Besides, even if there is a saving how are you expecting to get paid your share and what will you do with it?

Bit like you are your ilk screaming that you know best and 17 million Brits are too stupid to not see what you see.

No, I'm saying that the claimed saving doesn't necessarily lead to a net financial gain when all factors are taking into consideration.

I think the key word was membership rather than employment. Again, the only certainty of our membership of the EU is the amount we pay. That's not Brexiter or Remainer arithmetic that's the facts.

I used to work with a chap who would almost begin frothing at the mouth when you mentioned the EU. He's in his late seventies now and I haven't seen him for years, but I'm sure he would have voted to leave. A lot of the issue relates to people who either lived through the war or born shortly after. They seem to adopt this attitude that Britain is involved in a war with Europe instead of looking at the aims of the common market and later the EU which was to unify and prevent conflict. They also hark back to the twilight days of the British Empire with nostalgia forgetting the world has changed. I have to say from this forum there are also some people with frightening opinions, truly frightening.

17 million voted leave, many have regretted it. I expect it would be tighter if the referendum was run again.

We don't it's 12 and there are grants and such returned to us. The fact is that we owe the EU about 60 billion. Your theory is wrong for so many reasons I'm going to leave it there.

And tigers have stripes, but that's hardly the most important fact about them.