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Why did the most knowledgeable and experienced vote for Yes to Brexit? |
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It was the sensible thing to do.
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The older generation remember when we used to trade with Australia and New Zealand and had a larger fishing industry,
But they're not old enough to remember all those things had been in decline for decades before we joined the EU. |
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Nonsense.
We cant tell anything, other than we pay £20bn?? per annum to the EU, if we stop paying £20bn per annum to the EU we are £20bn per annum better off. ^ i dont know how much our contribution is to the EU, but whatever we pay it is the only "certainty" of our membership. |
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I thought the EU criticised Osborne's austerity measures.
And this thread is predicated on younger people being less anti EU. |
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Are you really not aware of the austerity measures imposed on some countries by the EU in return for bailouts ?
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17 million voted leave, many have regretted it. I expect it would be tighter if the referendum was run again.
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in other words you know best and 11 million Greeks are too stupid to not see what you see?
the polls were done at the height of the crisis the summer before last. support for the EU now is likely higher still. Greek people have historical reasons for supporting the EU which you clearly do not understand. http://www.politico.eu/article/poll-...ldnt-leave-it/ |
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The problem with "defaulting" on your debts is twofold. One it's fundamentally dishonest to borrow money, spend it and then not pay it back. The other is that no-one will lend you money so austerity was inevitable anyway. All the Greeks did was choose the route of least austerity.
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So should the EU (and IMF) just have handed over the bailout money without any conditions attached?
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Also, if the vote was run again more young people might actually bother to turn out which could tip the balance.
And how many times must we keep voting till the result is 'correct'? The people like my mum voted in for something that i'd doubt if you were told 40 years later would end up like the EU would of merrily told them to f-off. The EEC was for easier trading not setting how much a cucumber could curve etc. |
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That may be true on the right but many Leftie Leavers want more protectionism, public ownership and state intervention in markets.
The truth is, there is no free lunch. Someone has to pay for it. In some cases it is actually helpfull, even desireable to burden the weathier taxpayers with higher costs, when those costs create jobs for the less well off. Otherwise, government should maintain a very low profile. |
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Simple. Because they were lied to and believed those lies.
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seriously ?? check out the posts of some of the older FMs here...
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You're right. Speaking generally, younger people may have been in education for about 5-7 years longer than many of their seniors but they have far less life experience, simply because they havn't been around for that long (and they've spent more time in education, not working from 14 or 15 which was the norm) and are therefore quite likely to be more gullible than someone who's been around a few decades longer. So it's not really surprising if a fair number of them are taken in by politicians lying and doom mongering. Of course with their wonderful and comprehensive education they should understand the importance of using the vote they have've been given but evidently a lot couldn't be arsed to. If they were that bright they would have.
I would be willing to bet the average university graduate in North America today could not pass a grade three English or Geography examination from the 1890's. |
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No - the Greeks should have defaulted.
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Is not the whole capitalistic money system dishonest in the first place?
Or you can't play the game then try and change the rules when you start losing. |
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Are you really not aware of the austerity measures imposed on some countries by the EU in return for bailouts ?
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Also, if the vote was run again more young people might actually bother to turn out which could tip the balance.
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Also, if the vote was run again more young people might actually bother to turn out which could tip the balance.
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We are enjoying the longest uninterrupted period of peace in Europe since Roman times. Quite an achievement I think.
As for financial security , we are still undergoing the after shocks from 2008, having resisted QE (unlike the UK). And growth in Greece is the same as or better than the UK's. |
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The EU keeping peace. laughable. If anything, it's likely to cause another war on its current trajectory. It's NATO which has kept peace in Europe.
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See everyone... a Brexiter making claims that there will be a war... and they milked that WW3 claim for all it was worth... talk about Project Fear.
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You shall get your chance to vote again, in 2057.
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Who in Europe apart from Russia is capable of instigating WW3?
And, has someone done a survey to find out how the better educated and more sensible (not sure how you judge that) voted |
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Who in Europe apart from Russia is capable of instigating WW3?
And, has someone done a survey to find out how the better educated and more sensible (not sure how you judge that) voted |
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