It was the sensible thing to do.
Why did the most knowledgeable and experienced vote for Yes to Brexit?
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Originally Posted by andykn:
“The older generation remember when we used to trade with Australia and New Zealand and had a larger fishing industry,
But they're not old enough to remember all those things had been in decline for decades before we joined the EU.”
“The older generation remember when we used to trade with Australia and New Zealand and had a larger fishing industry,
But they're not old enough to remember all those things had been in decline for decades before we joined the EU.”
The funny thing is neither are you but you know it.
Originally Posted by bingbong:
“Nonsense.
We cant tell anything, other than we pay £20bn?? per annum to the EU, if we stop paying £20bn per annum to the EU we are £20bn per annum better off.
^ i dont know how much our contribution is to the EU, but whatever we pay it is the only "certainty" of our membership.”
“Nonsense.
We cant tell anything, other than we pay £20bn?? per annum to the EU, if we stop paying £20bn per annum to the EU we are £20bn per annum better off.
^ i dont know how much our contribution is to the EU, but whatever we pay it is the only "certainty" of our membership.”
You have proved my point, thankyou.
Originally Posted by andykn:
“I thought the EU criticised Osborne's austerity measures.
And this thread is predicated on younger people being less anti EU.”
“I thought the EU criticised Osborne's austerity measures.
And this thread is predicated on younger people being less anti EU.”
Are you really not aware of the austerity measures imposed on some countries by the EU in return for bailouts ?
Originally Posted by GreatGodPan:
“Are you really not aware of the austerity measures imposed on some countries by the EU in return for bailouts ?”
“Are you really not aware of the austerity measures imposed on some countries by the EU in return for bailouts ?”
So should the EU (and IMF) just have handed over the bailout money without any conditions attached?
Originally Posted by GibsonSG:
“17 million voted leave, many have regretted it. I expect it would be tighter if the referendum was run again.”
“17 million voted leave, many have regretted it. I expect it would be tighter if the referendum was run again.”
Also, if the vote was run again more young people might actually bother to turn out which could tip the balance.
Originally Posted by tahiti:
“in other words you know best and 11 million Greeks are too stupid to not see what you see?
the polls were done at the height of the crisis the summer before last.
support for the EU now is likely higher still.
Greek people have historical reasons for supporting the EU which you clearly do not understand.”
“in other words you know best and 11 million Greeks are too stupid to not see what you see?
the polls were done at the height of the crisis the summer before last.
support for the EU now is likely higher still.
Greek people have historical reasons for supporting the EU which you clearly do not understand.”
Maybe you should use more up to date polls?
http://www.politico.eu/article/poll-...ldnt-leave-it/
Originally Posted by andykn:
“The problem with "defaulting" on your debts is twofold. One it's fundamentally dishonest to borrow money, spend it and then not pay it back. The other is that no-one will lend you money so austerity was inevitable anyway. All the Greeks did was choose the route of least austerity.”
“The problem with "defaulting" on your debts is twofold. One it's fundamentally dishonest to borrow money, spend it and then not pay it back. The other is that no-one will lend you money so austerity was inevitable anyway. All the Greeks did was choose the route of least austerity.”
Is not the whole capitalistic money system dishonest in the first place?
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“So should the EU (and IMF) just have handed over the bailout money without any conditions attached?”
“So should the EU (and IMF) just have handed over the bailout money without any conditions attached?”
No - the Greeks should have defaulted.
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“Also, if the vote was run again more young people might actually bother to turn out which could tip the balance.”
“Also, if the vote was run again more young people might actually bother to turn out which could tip the balance.”
Again its a game of chance, will the newly minted 18 year olds change the result?
And how many times must we keep voting till the result is 'correct'?
The people like my mum voted in for something that i'd doubt if you were told 40 years later would end up like the EU would of merrily told them to f-off.
The EEC was for easier trading not setting how much a cucumber could curve etc.
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“That may be true on the right but many Leftie Leavers want more protectionism, public ownership and state intervention in markets.”
“That may be true on the right but many Leftie Leavers want more protectionism, public ownership and state intervention in markets.”
And it's time those lefty loonies begin to understand that government tax revenue has only one source, the taxpayer. Once you have a majority of "tax payers" earning their living from government "revenues" then your economy is well on it's way to a collapse style correction.
The truth is, there is no free lunch. Someone has to pay for it. In some cases it is actually helpfull, even desireable to burden the weathier taxpayers with higher costs, when those costs create jobs for the less well off. Otherwise, government should maintain a very low profile.
Originally Posted by Mr Oleo Strut:
“Simple. Because they were lied to and believed those lies.”
“Simple. Because they were lied to and believed those lies.”
You're right. Speaking generally, younger people may have been in education for about 5-7 years longer than many of their seniors but they have far less life experience, simply because they havn't been around for that long (and they've spent more time in education, not working from 14 or 15 which was the norm) and are therefore quite likely to be more gullible than someone who's been around a few decades longer. So it's not really surprising if a fair number of them are taken in by politicians lying and doom mongering. Of course with their wonderful and comprehensive education they should understand the importance of using the vote they have've been given but evidently a lot couldn't be arsed to. If they were that bright they would have.
Originally Posted by tahiti:
“seriously ?? check out the posts of some of the older FMs here...”
“seriously ?? check out the posts of some of the older FMs here...”
No worse than the insults from the Snowflakes.
Originally Posted by Talma:
“You're right. Speaking generally, younger people may have been in education for about 5-7 years longer than many of their seniors but they have far less life experience, simply because they havn't been around for that long (and they've spent more time in education, not working from 14 or 15 which was the norm) and are therefore quite likely to be more gullible than someone who's been around a few decades longer. So it's not really surprising if a fair number of them are taken in by politicians lying and doom mongering. Of course with their wonderful and comprehensive education they should understand the importance of using the vote they have've been given but evidently a lot couldn't be arsed to. If they were that bright they would have.”
“You're right. Speaking generally, younger people may have been in education for about 5-7 years longer than many of their seniors but they have far less life experience, simply because they havn't been around for that long (and they've spent more time in education, not working from 14 or 15 which was the norm) and are therefore quite likely to be more gullible than someone who's been around a few decades longer. So it's not really surprising if a fair number of them are taken in by politicians lying and doom mongering. Of course with their wonderful and comprehensive education they should understand the importance of using the vote they have've been given but evidently a lot couldn't be arsed to. If they were that bright they would have.”
More education does not necesarily translate to more educated.
I would be willing to bet the average university graduate in North America today could not pass a grade three English or Geography examination from the 1890's.
Originally Posted by GreatGodPan:
“No - the Greeks should have defaulted.”
“No - the Greeks should have defaulted.”
But then how would they have paid for any public services the next month? They still have to borrow to keep public services going - austerity would have been far worse.
Originally Posted by GreatGodPan:
“Is not the whole capitalistic money system dishonest in the first place?”
“Is not the whole capitalistic money system dishonest in the first place?”
Yes, but two wrongs don't really make a right.
Or you can't play the game then try and change the rules when you start losing.
Originally Posted by GreatGodPan:
“Are you really not aware of the austerity measures imposed on some countries by the EU in return for bailouts ?”
“Are you really not aware of the austerity measures imposed on some countries by the EU in return for bailouts ?”
Wouldn't you if you lent someone money? Tell them they have to pay you back before they buy a new car?
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“Also, if the vote was run again more young people might actually bother to turn out which could tip the balance.”
“Also, if the vote was run again more young people might actually bother to turn out which could tip the balance.”
The vote doesn't need to be run again.
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“Also, if the vote was run again more young people might actually bother to turn out which could tip the balance.”
“Also, if the vote was run again more young people might actually bother to turn out which could tip the balance.”
You shall get your chance to vote again, in 2057.
Originally Posted by tahiti:
“We are enjoying the longest uninterrupted period of peace in Europe since Roman times. Quite an achievement I think.
As for financial security , we are still undergoing the after shocks from 2008, having resisted QE (unlike the UK). And growth in Greece is the same as or better than the UK's.”
“We are enjoying the longest uninterrupted period of peace in Europe since Roman times. Quite an achievement I think.
As for financial security , we are still undergoing the after shocks from 2008, having resisted QE (unlike the UK). And growth in Greece is the same as or better than the UK's.”
The EU keeping peace. laughable. If anything, it's likely to cause another war on its current trajectory. It's NATO which has kept peace in Europe.
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“The EU keeping peace. laughable. If anything, it's likely to cause another war on its current trajectory. It's NATO which has kept peace in Europe.”
“The EU keeping peace. laughable. If anything, it's likely to cause another war on its current trajectory. It's NATO which has kept peace in Europe.”
See everyone... a Brexiter making claims that there will be a war... and they milked that WW3 claim for all it was worth... talk about Project Fear.
Originally Posted by Mesostim:
“See everyone... a Brexiter making claims that there will be a war... and they milked that WW3 claim for all it was worth... talk about Project Fear.”
“See everyone... a Brexiter making claims that there will be a war... and they milked that WW3 claim for all it was worth... talk about Project Fear.”
I said it was likely. Davecam said it will happen.
Originally Posted by HenryGarten:
“You shall get your chance to vote again, in 2057.”
“You shall get your chance to vote again, in 2057.”
I'll put it in my diary. I just hope I'm still around then.
Who in Europe apart from Russia is capable of instigating WW3?
And, has someone done a survey to find out how the better educated and more sensible (not sure how you judge that) voted
And, has someone done a survey to find out how the better educated and more sensible (not sure how you judge that) voted
Originally Posted by John146:
“Who in Europe apart from Russia is capable of instigating WW3?
And, has someone done a survey to find out how the better educated and more sensible (not sure how you judge that) voted”
“Who in Europe apart from Russia is capable of instigating WW3?
And, has someone done a survey to find out how the better educated and more sensible (not sure how you judge that) voted”
Well, Oxford and Cambridge both voted Remain, in areas surrounded by Leave.
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