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We are enjoying the longest uninterrupted period of peace in Europe since Roman times. Quite an achievement I think.
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See everyone... a Brexiter making claims that there will be a war... and they milked that WW3 claim for all it was worth... talk about Project Fear.
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And, has someone done a survey to find out how the better educated and more sensible (not sure how you judge that) voted
https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...t-vote-was-won |
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Who in Europe apart from Russia is capable of instigating WW3?
And, has someone done a survey to find out how the better educated and more sensible (not sure how you judge that) voted |
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Yes, the trend of better educated areas to vote Remain shows up clearly in the demographics. In fact, education was probably had the highest correlation of all factors ahead of age and income.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...t-vote-was-won The amount of brain dead idiots spoon fed through my course was incredible. The vast majority of which said they voted remain (although I have my doubts they voted). education does not mean educated in anything other than passing an exam now. I wonder how many with C&Gs or NVQs voted remain vs Leave. |
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Talk about that EU army we were assured wouldn't happen...despite it being rumoured for years and now confirmed as a project. Funny how we were lied to.
The EU army wouldn't have happened had we stayed. Now we're leaving they can progress. |
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Talk about that EU army we were assured wouldn't happen...despite it being rumoured for years and now confirmed as a project. Funny how we were lied to.
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I think the problem with being educated is, that being educated does not mean wise.
The amount of brain dead idiots spoon fed through my course was incredible. The vast majority of which said they voted remain (although I have my doubts they voted). education does not mean educated in anything other than passing an exam now. I wonder how many with C&Gs or NVQs voted remain vs Leave. Anyone with a University degree would have spent at least 3 or 4 years living in a multinational, multicultural and politically idealistic world which tends to get rid of any prejudices you had before. They are also far more likely than non-graduates to be working with immigrants who are fellow professionals and graduates who they see as colleagues and friends rather than threats as well as more likely to have worked and have business links abroad. |
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There's a lot of truth in that. However, I would say that the strong trend to vote Remain for those with degrees says more about their social environment rater than level of intelligence or wisdom. There are many wise people without formal qualifications.
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You weren't, you're just not up with the facts; why referenda are a bad idea.
The EU army wouldn't have happened had we stayed. Now we're leaving they can progress. |
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See, that's the best thing about getting a divorce. Both can move on. Happy days!
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The Greeks like the Irish, have been brainwashed into thinking the EU is the answer to all their problems. The reality will dawn on them eventually.
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Yes, they should really spend more time reading the Faily Mail & the Faily Ex-press for a daily dose of delusion.
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If we had anywhere to move on to...
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You weren't, you're just not up with the facts; why referenda are a bad idea.
The EU army wouldn't have happened had we stayed. Now we're leaving they can progress. Like the classic evasive 'there are no plans at this time to do or not udo something'. Oh well, you obviously believed Cameron & co. Quote:
There's a lot of truth in that. However, I would say that the strong trend to vote Remain for those with degrees says more about their social environment rater than level of intelligence or wisdom. There are many wise people without formal qualifications.
Anyone with a University degree would have spent at least 3 or 4 years living in a multinational, multicultural and politically idealistic world which tends to get rid of any prejudices you had before. They are also far more likely than non-graduates to be working with immigrants who are fellow professionals and graduates who they see as colleagues and friends rather than threats as well as more likely to have worked and have business links abroad. Of the graduates I know, including those I worked with here in London (which voted 40% Leave, remember) as a lowly O level achiever were from other cultures and nationalities and more voted Leave than Remain. One 30 year old Icouldn't be bothered to vote at all because he 'isn't interested in politics'. Just because they went to university doesn't make them special, it's what sort of person they are and what they do with their lives afterwards does that. |
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£350 for the NHS... funny isn;t it.... hahahha how we're all laughing.
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It's an interesting question more widely, not just thinking of the older generation. Why did people old and young who are knowledgable, educated, experienced and professional vote Brexit?
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It's an interesting question more widely, not just thinking of the older generation. Why did people old and young who are knowledgable, educated, experienced and professional vote Brexit?
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To make sure their country becomes a self governing nation again? I am not sure why people are struggling with this question?
But there's a widely accepted view developing that Brexit was down to the uneducated, poor, old and probably racist raging against the establishment, globalisation and getting 'left behind'. Yet when I talk to most people I know who voted Brexit, or indeed read what people say on forums like this, those are not the primary or even secondary reasons. |
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I have never understood why this is the case.
The older generation with more experience and knowledge were the ones who voted out of the EU, while the younger and less knowledgeable types, myself included voted to remain. There must be a reason why the split exists. was it down to the older generation realising something is rotten in the Eu that the younger generation can't see? IT WAS A SECRET BALLOT, WE DON'T KNOW WHO VOTED YES OR NO. |
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It's an interesting question more widely, not just thinking of the older generation. Why did people old and young who are knowledgable, educated, experienced and professional vote Brexit?
According to all of the demographics, he should be solid Remain but he voted the Leave purely because of the EU Superstate and wanted to go back to a looser association of countries. However, he wants a very soft exit with the UK remaining in the single market and customs union and has no problem with freedom of movement as he sees all of them as a benefit. He says a hard exit would be very bad for his business. I accept that he does have a point. I was never a fan of the political dimension of the EU but I voted on balance to remain due to the economic uncertainty, a lack of a plan or any consensus on what Leave means. Some of the 52% like my friend above what a "soft" exit, there are the xenophobic Tories and Kippers who want free market sovereignty above everything and if that means being poorer then so be it then you have Lefty Leavers who want the kind of state intervention in the economy that the EU never allowed. The problem is that you are never going to get the likes of Gove, Duncan Smith and Fox agreeing with Old Labour voters or the Soft Leavers so we are going to end up with a settlement which the vast majority of people don't like. |
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Indeed. There are also many other reasons why thinking and intelligent people concluded that they preferred on balance for the UK to leave.
But there's a widely accepted view developing that Brexit was down to the uneducated, poor, old and probably racist raging against the establishment, globalisation and getting 'left behind'. Yet when I talk to most people I know who voted Brexit, or indeed read what people say on forums like this, those are not the primary or even secondary reasons. |
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Wouldn't you if you lent someone money? Tell them they have to pay you back before they buy a new car?
You put me in mind of Margaret Thatcher. |
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Well, Oxford and Cambridge both voted Remain, in areas surrounded by Leave.
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Anyone with a University degree would have spent at least 3 or 4 years living in a multinational, multicultural and politically idealistic world which tends to get rid of any prejudices you had before. They are also far more likely than non-graduates to be working with immigrants who are fellow professionals and graduates who they see as colleagues and friends rather than threats as well as more likely to have worked and have business links abroad.
Those involved in the North-South brain drain settling in a new place with better prospects. That will breed empathy rather than resentment for other economic migrants |
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