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Old 27-12-2016, 22:34
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The wrong decision was not firing him, but in hiring him in the first place, especially at the time that they did, with no pre-season for him to adjust.
What's the alternative?
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Old 27-12-2016, 23:11
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They'll probably hire Pardew. He'll start off well, keep them up, then reveals how average he really is next season.

They'd be taking a massive gamble if they hire Ryan Giggs. A gamble that they can't afford to lose.
Average?????? Nothing wrong with being an average Premier League manager
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Old 27-12-2016, 23:20
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Yeah, sure, unless it gets you relegated. I'm sure you'll love Pardew at WBA after Pulis goes.
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Old 28-12-2016, 00:39
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Not sure why Rodgers is on it. He's just took over at celtic. Rowett might be a possibility but they really should be going with someone with both prem experience and fighting relegation.
In that respect I'm surprised Nigel Pearson's name hasn't been mentioned (unless he can't manage another club this season, as a condition of his terms of severance from Derby)
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Old 28-12-2016, 00:41
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Quite how after such a dismal record at Palace, Pardew can seemingly just walk into another job, as if nothing actually happened, is a bit strange when you think about it.

Also I have seen it mentioned a few times on my twitter stream, that this sets back American coaches/managers, quite why that would be, when we have plenty of British managers that keep on getting jobs, despite getting fired, the only person that this will set back is Bradley himself, not the entire American coaching department.
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Old 28-12-2016, 00:41
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What bad timing.

Big Sam was available just a few days ago.
I think Crystal Palace had a feeling Swansea would sack their manager and then try and get Sam Allardyce

So Palace got in their first by sacking Pardew before Christmas
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Old 28-12-2016, 00:43
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Average?????? Nothing wrong with being an average Premier League manager
Pardew has been dodging the raindrops for a while. Such a streaky manager, that cup run last season covered his blushes.
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Old 28-12-2016, 04:52
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Pardew has been dodging the raindrops for a while. Such a streaky manager, that cup run last season covered his blushes.
Are you saying he is below average.
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Old 28-12-2016, 10:03
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Ryan Giggs is the early favourite.


Ryan Giggs 4/7
Alan Pardew 4/1
C Coleman 14
Brendan Rodgers 20
Jurgen Klinsmann 20
Steven Gerrard 20
Chris Hughton 25
Frank Lampard 25
Ally McCoist 33
G Rowett 33
Glenn Hoddle 33

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/...wansea-manager
Surprised Hodgson is not on that list. He could be a good fit for that club as it is more a West Brom/Fulham type thing.

All went wrong when they got rid of Laudrup. Monk didn't do too well in the transfer market.
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Old 28-12-2016, 10:47
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What's the alternative?
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Old 28-12-2016, 10:52
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What's the alternative?
Ask the other teams very nicely if they wouldn't mind having a second preseason to get him all caught up.
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Old 28-12-2016, 11:55
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What's the alternative?
The alternative, if they really wanted to give him the best chance possible to do as well as possible, was I suppose, to put a caretaker manager in charge until the end of the season, and then appoint him, so that then he could shape things how he would want them, and to get a full pre-season under his belt, and from there, he could say he had things his way.
Whereas, when he came in, he was working with someone else's squad of players, and with a way of playing that might not have been to his liking, and would have taken more than just one or two training sessions to change.

Bringing someone, anyone in to a club after a transfer window has shut, and before the next one opens, is always a hard way for a manager to change things, as he is not working with an ideal situation, and if he wanted to change players, well he is unable to do so, and is thus stuck with the same problems that the previous manager was.

Whomever comes in next, will fortunately have a transfer window on their side, if they do wish to bring in any players, send at least try to change things from that perspective.

Once a club gets into a bit of a spiral of defeat after defeat, it is hard to change the culture and the mindset, but at least with a transfer window, a new manager can offer change to the fans, Bradley sadly for him, was never allowed to get that far.
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Old 28-12-2016, 11:59
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If you're appointing a manager to keep you up you're not going to tell him to wait eight months until a pre-season where you're already relegated.
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Old 28-12-2016, 12:01
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Am I right in thinking that Bradley's only victory was over Crystal Palace who were managed by Alan Pardew - one of the favourites to replace him it seems

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Old 28-12-2016, 12:05
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Y A R in thinking that
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Old 28-12-2016, 12:11
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If you're appointing a manager to keep you up you're not going to tell him to wait eight months until a pre-season where you're already relegated.
If they at all ever believed that he was the right man for the club, and to take them forward, then they should have at least given him the best chance to achieve success (whatever that terms means in relation to Swansea).

If they wanted him in asap, then they should have at least given him a transfer window to see what changes he felt were necessary.

Any manager, not just him, who comes into any club after a window shuts, will find things hard going, so a manager does I think need one window at least to try and implement the changes that they think will improve their situation.
Not allowing him one transfer window, I do think is not really allowing him to implement change that he might think does need to be done, in order for them to stay up, and to achieve whatever targets were set him when he took over.
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Old 28-12-2016, 12:14
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Ever consider maybe he just wasn't up to the task rather than it being a case of timing? Managers have turned teams around in similar circumstances, it's not exactly a death knell.
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Old 28-12-2016, 12:17
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Edited.. Got that stat completely wrong... It was less than three goals. Per game conceded.
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Old 28-12-2016, 12:34
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Ever consider maybe he just wasn't up to the task rather than it being a case of timing? Managers have turned teams around in similar circumstances, it's not exactly a death knell.
I didn't say it was a death knell, just that without a transfer window, to change things about a bit, then it is hard for any manager (nevermind one that hasn't managed in this country before) to improve a teams fortunes.
Yes it can be done without a window, but from a clubs perspective, why not give him one window at the very least, to see if his changes work out?
If they don't, then fine, sack him, as he would have at least had the chance to change things around.
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Old 28-12-2016, 12:38
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Because the longer they wait, the closer they get to the Championship.
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Old 28-12-2016, 12:40
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Whoever they appointed would have not had a pre-season. Why would a caretaker be any more able to navigate that hurdle than someone they identified as the person they wanted for the job?
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Old 28-12-2016, 12:48
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Because the longer they wait, the closer they get to the Championship.
True, and it is a very hard balancing act to know just when is the right time to sack a manager, however, I still think that any manager should at least be given one transfer window, be it the sumner one, or the winter one, to try and change a team around if they are performing below acceptable standards.
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Old 28-12-2016, 12:52
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If he gets the window and nothing improves, they're stuck in an even worse position and with less time to remedy it. As he's given them next to no reason to believe he will succeed with the team, why not give that window to a manager who might?
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Old 28-12-2016, 12:58
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If he gets the window and nothing improves, they're stuck in an even worse position and with less time to remedy it. As he's given them next to no reason to believe he will succeed with the team, why not give that window to a manager who might?
That is of course one way to look at the situation, and a very credible one at that, however, there is always the alternative viewpoint, of what happens, if he has that window, and things change, and they do well due to the changes he makes?!

It is if course hard to know which way things might go, but of course things were not looking good there for him, and perhaps a new manager coming in, with the added advantage of having the window, might improve their fortunes for the rest of the season.
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Old 28-12-2016, 13:04
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Am I right in thinking that Bradley's only victory was over Crystal Palace who were managed by Alan Pardew - one of the favourites to replace him it seems

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Hire another manager who has been sacked for being stuck near the bottom of the table despite spending a fair bit.

I think Pardew is best avoided at this time tbh.
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