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Old 27-12-2016, 19:48
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Obama thinks Corbyn has lost touch with reality.
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Old 28-12-2016, 03:12
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This was asked by David Axelrod the man behind Milibands failed campaign in 2015 (the Ed Stone!), he sums up why Corbyn is now in charge. He despises Corbyn and can't seem to accept that the days of neoliberal or 'centre ground' or the 'trickle down effect' that have left people behind are over.
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Old 28-12-2016, 03:27
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not really sure why they would disintegrate tbh

they ran a very "safe" campaign, behind a deeply flawed candidate and despite that it would have only needed something like a 0.7% swing in 3 states to change the result

they also comfortably won the popular vote, and yes batdude i know when it comes to deciding the election the popular vote was irrelevant, you dont need to mention it for the 175th time, but it does indicate that the support is out there

they need to pick and choose what fights they think they can win over the next 4 years, which wont be easy with the senate and house being a republican majority. there is probably as much chance of rifts within the republicans given trump is not really following a traditional republican platform.
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Old 28-12-2016, 03:55
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Not surprising coming from Obama if he sees Jermy Corbyn like a British version of Bernie Sanders.
These neoliberals are so full of themselves and their self-importance. They just can't accept that the public didn't vote for them and rejected them.

They will disintegrate if they don't learn that it's their own arrogance which played a significant part in their defeat, and it's an arrogance they still appear to possess. It's everyone else's fault except theirs.
Even Bernie Sanders has identified where the Democrats are going wrong.
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Old 28-12-2016, 04:20
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Not surprising coming from Obama if he sees Jermy Corbyn like a British version of Bernie Sanders.
These neoliberals are so full of themselves and their self-importance. They just can't accept that the public didn't vote for them and rejected them.

They will disintegrate if they don't learn that it's their own arrogance which played a significant part in their defeat, and it's an arrogance they still appear to possess. It's everyone else's fault except theirs.
Even Bernie Sanders has identified where the Democrats are going wrong.
Obama says the opposite. Sanders would just be on the left of labour - well within mainstream politics. . Corbyn isn't there - he's out on the hard left extreme, with added layers of incompetence, anti-westernism, and fruitcasery..

The public hasn't rejected neoliberalism . if anyting the least well educated, much of the white working class, , and the oldest sections of the public , both sides of the Atlantic, have voted for the people most in favour of low business taxes, low regulation, and low wages - with a topping of isolationism, and either 1920s protectionism , or ridiculous claums for free trade, They may have been fed up , or just voting on racial grounds, but will find they voted for more of what they were fed up with.

Sanders people wanted more of Obamaism, faster, , not less. They just forgot that Obama's been blocked by Republicans from doing much for 6 years - and Sanders would have been too. Demographics also works for Democrats in the end -as the aging white majority dies off and becomes a minority.. The Democrats just have to find a more charismatic leader, balance the ticket better, wait for Trump to foul the economy up, and find a few policies for failing flyover America,

The Republicans have far bigger problems, They have unleashed the far right , and will have difficulty getting rid of them. Their media support has gone to the extemes too. The result is that when Trump fails, they will be split between those arguing not to elect any more neofascist ignoramuses, and those arguing that the problem wasn't the snakeoil salesman , but the moderate Republicans undermining him,
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Old 28-12-2016, 05:09
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Obama says the opposite. Sanders would just be on the left of labour - well within mainstream politics. . Corbyn isn't there - he's out on the hard left extreme, with added layers of incompetence, anti-westernism, and fruitcasery..

The public hasn't rejected neoliberalism . if anyting the least well educated, much of the white working class, , and the oldest sections of the public , both sides of the Atlantic, have voted for the people most in favour of low business taxes, low regulation, and low wages - with a topping of isolationism, and either 1920s protectionism , or ridiculous claums for free trade, They may have been fed up , or just voting on racial grounds, but will find they voted for more of what they were fed up with.

Sanders people wanted more of Obamaism, faster, , not less. They just forgot that Obama's been blocked by Republicans from doing much for 6 years - and Sanders would have been too. Demographics also works for Democrats in the end -as the aging white majority dies off and becomes a minority.. The Democrats just have to find a more charismatic leader, balance the ticket better, wait for Trump to foul the economy up, and find a few policies for failing flyover America,

The Republicans have far bigger problems, They have unleashed the far right , and will have difficulty getting rid of them. Their media support has gone to the extemes too. The result is that when Trump fails, they will be split between those arguing not to elect any more neofascist ignoramuses, and those arguing that the problem wasn't the snakeoil salesman , but the moderate Republicans undermining him,
Yes they have, see Brexit.
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Old 28-12-2016, 05:33
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not really sure why they would disintegrate tbh

they ran a very "safe" campaign, behind a deeply flawed candidate and despite that it would have only needed something like a 0.7% swing in 3 states to change the result

they also comfortably won the popular vote, and yes batdude i know when it comes to deciding the election the popular vote was irrelevant, you dont need to mention it for the 175th time, but it does indicate that the support is out there

they need to pick and choose what fights they think they can win over the next 4 years, which wont be easy with the senate and house being a republican majority. there is probably as much chance of rifts within the republicans given trump is not really following a traditional republican platform.
At the end of the day it's much easier to rally supporters against the other side when that side's flaws are laid out in front of them.

Trump needs to deliver otherwise things could turn sour for the Republicans rather quickly. The next four years are going to be fascinating.
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Old 28-12-2016, 06:06
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It surprises me that Obama knows Corbyn so well , never mind he rates him so lowly.
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:57
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Yes they have, see Brexit.
They may have but the party running the country certainly hasn't. There was little point voting to leave the EU if the prime cheerleader for neoliberalism is still in charge. In fact leaving the EU could remove even more restraints on their rabid ideology.
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Old 28-12-2016, 10:04
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It surprises me that Obama knows Corbyn so well , never mind he rates him so lowly.
He spent 90 minutes alone in a room with him back in April - that would be enough for both I'd imagine
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Old 28-12-2016, 14:32
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He spent 90 minutes alone in a room with him back in April - that would be enough for both I'd imagine
So Obama must have made up his mind about old Jeremy pretty quickly.
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:36
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So Obama must have made up his mind about old Jeremy pretty quickly.
Having listened to a few PMQs I suspect 90 minutes felt like a very long time to Obama
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:54
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It surprises me that Obama knows Corbyn so well , never mind he rates him so lowly.
He spent 90 minutes alone in a room with him back in April - that would be enough for both I'd imagine
Plus that's the job of Ambassadors, to get to know those in opposition and provide feedback to their Government

I recall much of the fuss over Wikileaks was Ambassadors reporting their unvarnished views on the politicians in the country they were allocated

If the US Embassy hold Corbyn in low-esteem then that will be reflected in the President's views
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Old 28-12-2016, 19:50
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Obama's Democrats lost 1,030 seats in his 8yrs! They started to disintegrate as soon as he took office

900 state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats.

Trump is President because of Obama

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Old 28-12-2016, 22:54
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Obama's legacy = Donald Trump.
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Old 29-12-2016, 08:18
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Well let's hope so because the prospect of a Second Trump turn is worrying.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:28
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Staggering lack of self awareness from Obama and you don't have to be a Corbyn fan to see it. The current situation at the DNC almost mirrors what has happened at Labour HQ.

A party elite that refuses to believe that they have been rejected (Labour at least accepted defeat at the booth though, unlike the Cult of Clinton) but are still trying to cling on. Only difference is the Labour membership twice gave them the middle finger when given the chance to vote.

Don't be shocked if the DNC membership do the same when the party gets thrashed again. And yes I'm predicting another Republican win regardless of who is in charge of the GOP.
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Old 29-12-2016, 13:21
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It surprises me that Obama knows Corbyn so well , never mind he rates him so lowly.
This is a figment of your wild, creative, mischievous imagination. Just like your post title and first post.

He spent 90 minutes alone in a room with him back in April - that would be enough for both I'd imagine
Mischievous imaginings! You two work for Fake News Tv, i imagine.

So Obama must have made up his mind about old Jeremy pretty quickly.
Let us all, imagine...

Having listened to a few PMQs I suspect 90 minutes felt like a very long time to Obama
It's like make believe for adults.

Well done Platelet, onecitizen Good job.
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Old 29-12-2016, 13:52
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The Democrats need to find a good candidate to up against Trump, and not one that has been in the White House previously, so no Joe, or Hillary again,it would even be a joke if Michelle were to run (not that I think she will for one moment), they need to move away from Al of the celebrity endorsements that Hillary was so fawning over getting from the likes of JLo, Beyoncé etc.

If they do, then they stand a good chance of beating Trump in four years time, if they don't, and they fall back into their stance of this past election campaign, then they stans next to no chance of beating him,no matter what he does.
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:24
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I don't need Obama to tell me that Corbyn is useless.
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:39
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It surprises me that Obama knows Corbyn so well , never mind he rates him so lowly.
They met once for about ninety minutes.
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:14
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The Democrats need to find a good candidate to up against Trump, and not one that has been in the White House previously, so no Joe, or Hillary again,it would even be a joke if Michelle were to run (not that I think she will for one moment), they need to move away from Al of the celebrity endorsements that Hillary was so fawning over getting from the likes of JLo, Beyoncé etc.

If they do, then they stand a good chance of beating Trump in four years time, if they don't, and they fall back into their stance of this past election campaign, then they stans next to no chance of beating him,no matter what he does.
That will be completely dependent on how well he performs, and how it's reported in the media how well he performed.
The Democrats and the media painted Trump up to be something so terrible and so evil that all he may need to do is to simply be all right, and they will have painted themselves into a corner of their own making.
All he may have to do is to not be like how they portrayed him to be. If he does that he may get a second term.

It's also entirely possible what with the Democrats own scandals that it may take them at least 8 years to sort themselves out and be electable again.

I also agree with you that it was a terrible call for them to think that the American public are so stupid that they'd fall for an appeal to celebrity rather than convince them on the strength of their political argument, which they didn't appear to possess.
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Old 29-12-2016, 20:18
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I think people would listen to celebrities if they had a clue or put their vast wealth their mouths are.

Problem with the Beyonce's and Miley's of the World is they as well meaning as they might be they are so well protected from the harsh reality on the ground, they end up coming across as patronising.
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Old 29-12-2016, 20:32
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If Obama hadn't been banned from standing due to American law he would have wiped the floor with Trump. Lots of Americans hated Hillary Clinton. But this is getting away from Obama's low opinion of Corbyn.
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:17
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If they do, then they stand a good chance of beating Trump in four years time, if they don't, and they fall back into their stance of this past election campaign, then they stans next to no chance of beating him,no matter what he does.
There's no guarantee Trump will be the Republican nominee in 4 years time, if his approval ratings are in the 20s and 30s, he'll likely face a primary challenge. Remember Trump won the Republican nomination with less than half of the vote, so its not like he's unanimously popular with Republican voters to begin with, and if he disappoints his wacky base, he might struggle to garner enough votes to get the nomination again for 2020.
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