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Old 29-12-2016, 18:54
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https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2...to-pound-slump

In 2017 Britain is expected to see the biggest rise in tourist spending in four years and a surge in visitor numbers, partly thanks to the slump in the value of the pound since the Brexit vote.

Overseas visitors are expected to spend £24.1bn next year, up 8% on 2016, according to VisitBritain, the government-backed national tourism agency.
Hotels, restaurants and some retailers have already been enjoying a boost from the increased tourist spending since the Brexit vote. Tax free spending by visitors from outside the EU soared 41% in October and November, according to retail tourism group Global Blue, as spending by Chinese tourists, who make up a quarter of non-European visitors, rose 63% while Americans spent 88% more.

Gordon Clark, managing director of Global Blue, said: “Overall we expect total UK international tax free spend for 2016 to finish on double digit growth, due to the visitor and spend surge in the second half of the year.”
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Old 29-12-2016, 21:32
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Still it will please some people that don't want any of those "nasty foreign types" in Britain
Goodness, you are a one for seeing a glass as half empty rather than half full.
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Old 29-12-2016, 21:50
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It must be exhausting being a Remainer, never being able to rest, endlessly trawling the internet for any crumb of negativity that might possibly cheer them momentarily as it could be blamed on Brexit, only to have their hopes dashed .
Yes I think you are right. Mind you watching your dreams of a European socialist super state run by the political elite slowly crumble before your eyes must be quite distressing for them.
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Old 29-12-2016, 22:00
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Yes I think you are right. Mind you watching your dreams of a European socialist super state run by the political elite slowly crumble before your eyes must be quite distressing for them.
Don't worry, the Brexiteers who can seemingly not argue against the points being made and have to resort to insults make me realise how daft an idea Brexit really is.
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:11
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It must be exhausting being a Remainer, never being able to rest, endlessly trawling the internet for any crumb of negativity that might possibly cheer them momentarily as it could be blamed on Brexit, only to have their hopes dashed .
We should be grateful for all the work put into keeping us entertained.

Thestory about Brexit causing a drop in high street sales and linking to an article about online shopping causing a drop in high street sales was better than many comedies.
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:17
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That's a rather obscure website, how did it come to your attention?
Scours the internet for days.

I think it is more to do with security than Brexit, poor old Brexit the cop out for every disaster and negative.

Especially the security in mainland Europe which is NIL because of FOM etc.

I do wonder what they would have blamed this all on had Remain won!

Oh but then we wouldn't have all these daft threads

It must be exhausting being a Remainer, never being able to rest, endlessly trawling the internet for any crumb of negativity that might possibly cheer them momentarily as it could be blamed on Brexit, only to have their hopes dashed .
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:19
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oooh BUMPER YEAR ahead
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Old 30-12-2016, 13:46
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It must be exhausting being a Remainer, never being able to rest, endlessly trawling the internet for any crumb of negativity that might possibly cheer them momentarily as it could be blamed on Brexit, only to have their hopes dashed .
No need to trawl these days, just set up a Google alert for brexit and get all the stories emailed to you. Then all that's needed is to discount anything positive and post away.
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Old 30-12-2016, 16:53
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No need to trawl these days, just set up a Google alert for brexit and get all the stories emailed to you. Then all that's needed is to discount anything positive and post away.
Is that true, can a 'google' alert do this sort of thing (excuse my ignorance if this is general knowledge, but I like things all luddite)? Email clogging (bombarding) pain in the a4se magic such as that which you speak of would explain a lot though.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:05
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No need to trawl these days, just set up a Google alert for brexit and get all the stories emailed to you. Then all that's needed is to discount anything positive and post away.
A mere technicality - so you spend your life trawling through e-mails instead of Google - which you then have to read to be able to discard anything which may hint at a positive Brexit story and then come on here to share the doom and gloom ones only for the story to be disproved.

Does doing this make you happy? I prefer to live and enjoy my life happy and safe in the knowledge that we will leave, hopefully before the EU implodes which is very likely.

Happy New Year
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:16
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A mere technicality - so you spend your life trawling through e-mails instead of Google - which you then have to read to be able to discard anything which may hint at a positive Brexit story and then come on here to share the doom and gloom ones only for the story to be disproved.

Does doing this make you happy? I prefer to live and enjoy my life happy and safe in the knowledge that we will leave, hopefully before the EU implodes which is very likely.

Happy New Year
Or trawling through threads on bulletin boards so you can post about how much you prefer to live your life



Happy New Year
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Old 30-12-2016, 19:39
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Or trawling through threads on bulletin boards so you can post about how much you prefer to live your life



Happy New Year
Take a day off you must be exhausted.
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Old 30-12-2016, 20:51
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I'll just leave this here : )

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2...to-pound-slump

In 2017 Britain is expected to see the biggest rise in tourist spending in four years and a surge in visitor numbers, partly thanks to the slump in the value of the pound since the Brexit vote.

Overseas visitors are expected to spend £24.1bn next year, up 8% on 2016, according to VisitBritain, the government-backed national tourism agency

Hotels, restaurants and some retailers have already been enjoying a boost from the increased tourist spending since the Brexit vote. Tax free spending by visitors from outside the EU soared 41% in October and November, according to retail tourism group Global Blue, as spending by Chinese tourists, who make up a quarter of non-European visitors, rose 63% while Americans spent 88% more.

Gordon Clark, managing director of Global Blue, said: “Overall we expect total UK international tax free spend for 2016 to finish on double digit growth, due to the visitor and spend surge in the second half of the year.”
1. The Guardian's source was VisitBritain, the organisation funded to promote UK tourism.

https://www.visitbritain.org/forecast

2. Their forecast figures for 2016 show a decline in the latter half of the year, with just a 1.1% increase in spend for the year compared with an average of 5% growth.

3. Their 2017 forecasts come with a lot of assumptions, mainly around forecasting based on historic figures, assuming no unforeseen events, a boost from several sporting events and strong inbound market economies.

The global macroeconomic outlook is forecast to be generally benign and stable in most of Britain’s key inbound markets in 2017. Most advanced economies have similar central forecasts for 2017 to those seen in 2016. The central forecast for the EU overall is for continued modest economic growth in much of Western Europe and Eastern EU generally seeing healthy growth. The short term US economic outlook looks healthy although there is considerable uncertainty about specific policies. Some emerging markets, including China and India, are still growing at a strong pace with others, such as Russia and Brazil, slowly emerging from recession.


4. Their figures don't match with the official ONS trends, so there would need to be a swing for their forecasts to materialise.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...sureandtourism
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Old 30-12-2016, 21:10
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1. The Guardian's source was VisitBritain, the organisation funded to promote UK tourism.

https://www.visitbritain.org/forecast

2. Their forecast figures for 2016 show a decline in the latter half of the year, with just a 1.1% increase in spend for the year compared with an average of 5% growth.

3. Their 2017 forecasts come with a lot of assumptions, mainly around forecasting based on historic figures, assuming no unforeseen events, a boost from several sporting events and strong inbound market economies.

The global macroeconomic outlook is forecast to be generally benign and stable in most of Britain’s key inbound markets in 2017. Most advanced economies have similar central forecasts for 2017 to those seen in 2016. The central forecast for the EU overall is for continued modest economic growth in much of Western Europe and Eastern EU generally seeing healthy growth. The short term US economic outlook looks healthy although there is considerable uncertainty about specific policies. Some emerging markets, including China and India, are still growing at a strong pace with others, such as Russia and Brazil, slowly emerging from recession.


4. Their figures don't match with the official ONS trends, so there would need to be a swing for their forecasts to materialise.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...sureandtourism
I don't think Oct 2015 is a good indication of a normal month.
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Old 30-12-2016, 21:28
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Is that true, can a 'google' alert do this sort of thing (excuse my ignorance if this is general knowledge, but I like things all luddite)? Email clogging (bombarding) pain in the a4se magic such as that which you speak of would explain a lot though.
Yes, you can just set up an alert with any keyword you want. When a new story appears that Google picks up you get an email. You can also subscribe to your alerts via rss.

A mere technicality - so you spend your life trawling through e-mails instead of Google - which you then have to read to be able to discard anything which may hint at a positive Brexit story and then come on here to share the doom and gloom ones only for the story to be disproved.

Does doing this make you happy? I prefer to live and enjoy my life happy and safe in the knowledge that we will leave, hopefully before the EU implodes which is very likely.

Happy New Year
Nah, doesn't make me happy, I'm a confirmed Brexiter I'm seriously bored of the Brexit will make the sky fall in threads by the usual posters. On the plus side the negativity was what won the referendum for leave and it will be what ensures a hard Brexit.
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:17
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Yes, you can just set up an alert with any keyword you want. When a new story appears that Google picks up you get an email. You can also subscribe to your alerts via rss.



Nah, doesn't make me happy, I'm a confirmed Brexiter I'm seriously bored of the Brexit will make the sky fall in threads by the usual posters. On the plus side the negativity was what won the referendum for leave and it will be what ensures a hard Brexit.
I know exactly what you mean.

I don't know about you but I would prefer not to have to wait until March for Article 50 but will be patient providing we then get on with getting out asap. I've waited so many years for the opportunity to vote us out, I don't want to kick the bucket until we are finally free
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Old 31-12-2016, 09:25
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This is a two way thing though - a slumping pound will encourage more people to come here - but it also means that Brits travelling abroad will spend more of their disposable cash on their holidays, so will have less disposable cash to spend in this country.

As an example a holiday I took to America after the sterling slump cost me around £500 more than it would have done at the previous exchange rate - so the UK economy has missed out on me putting £500 into it.
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Old 31-12-2016, 11:26
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This is a two way thing though - a slumping pound will encourage more people to come here - but it also means that Brits travelling abroad will spend more of their disposable cash on their holidays, so will have less disposable cash to spend in this country.

As an example a holiday I took to America after the sterling slump cost me around £500 more than it would have done at the previous exchange rate - so the UK economy has missed out on me putting £500 into it.
......but then some people will now holiday in the UK instead of going abroad and all their holiday spend will stay here.
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Old 31-12-2016, 11:30
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One of the business I part own operates in this area.
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Old 31-12-2016, 11:37
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Assuming that is aimed in my direction, by "part own" I don't mean the few thousand shares I own in Lloyds Bank.
I'd sell them pretty damn quick if I were you shares dropping like a stone since 23rd June.

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Old 31-12-2016, 17:21
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Yes, you can just set up an alert with any keyword you want. When a new story appears that Google picks up you get an email. You can also subscribe to your alerts via rss.



Nah, doesn't make me happy, I'm a confirmed Brexiter I'm seriously bored of the Brexit will make the sky fall in threads by the usual posters. On the plus side the negativity was what won the referendum for leave and it will be what ensures a hard Brexit.
BIB 1. Thank you. Another avenue of modern digital life I am happy to be ignorant of.

BIB 2. indeedy.
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Old 31-12-2016, 18:56
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Still it will please some people that don't want any of those "nasty foreign types" in Britain
Never mind, people love a good blood sport, so all those foreign visitors will flock over when Brexit final explodes!
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Old 31-12-2016, 19:01
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Never mind, people love a good blood sport, so all those foreign visitors will flock over when Brexit final explodes!
Mr Strut do yourself a favour get your passport out and go on holiday.
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Old 31-12-2016, 19:42
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Mr Strut do yourself a favour get your passport out and go on holiday.
Go on holiday? No way! I'm having much more fun watching Brexit implode. Happy New Year!
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Old 31-12-2016, 19:43
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Go on holiday? No way! I'm having much more fun watching Brexit implode. Happy New Year!
It isn't imploding though
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