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Old 28-12-2016, 13:45
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Despite having two British children, a Dutch EU citizen has been told to leave the country as she has no legal right to be here.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...after-24-years
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Old 28-12-2016, 14:24
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Seems just to be a bureaucratic bungle over her inability to provide her proof of Dutch citizenship - hardly a change in policy.

A non story really - but the Guardianistas will no doubt lap it up as they will just read the headline not the full story.
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Old 28-12-2016, 14:26
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Despite having two British children, a Dutch EU citizen has been told to leave the country as she has no legal right to be here.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...after-24-years
What have the children got to do with her right to stay? Either she has a right or she hasn't.
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Old 28-12-2016, 14:46
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Seems just to be a bureaucratic bungle over her inability to provide her proof of Dutch citizenship - hardly a change in policy.

A non story really - but the Guardianistas will no doubt lap it up as they will just read the headline not the full story.
Not really a non story. This will be the reality for many EU migrants here soon enough, judging by the way things are going.

What have the children got to do with her right to stay? Either she has a right or she hasn't.
Somehow, I imagined that here having two British kids by a British husband might somehow make her less of a migrant. It seems not.

EDIT: You'll be glad to know I am in the same boat as her, so I'll be getting one of those letters one day.
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Old 28-12-2016, 14:58
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Despite having two British children, a Dutch EU citizen has been told to leave the country as she has no legal right to be here.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...after-24-years
I can fully understand the problem this lady finds herself - although I would have thought she qualified to remain under the 20 year rule.

Had she not been Dutch and therefore had the right to remain in this country anyway it is likely she would have applied for indefinite leave to remain 17 years ago.

Further as she has two children I suspect they have spent more than half their life in the UK and are themselves UK citizens in which case that gives another reason for he to remain.
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Old 28-12-2016, 14:59
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If she cant prove who she is via ID what does she expect. Non Story! Is the UK just meant to take her word that she is dutch?

I have a daughter with a US citizenship - Doesnt entitle me to US citizenship.
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:02
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Not really a non story. This will be the reality for many EU migrants here soon enough, judging by the way things are going.



Somehow, I imagined that here having two British kids by a British husband might somehow make her less of a migrant. It seems not.

EDIT: You'll be glad to know I am in the same boat as her, so I'll be getting one of those letters one day.
The law is the law. Childless people do not get treated any differently from those with children.
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:04
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EDIT: You'll be glad to know I am in the same boat as her, so I'll be getting one of those letters one day.
only if you apply for citizenship without providing any identification.
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:11
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Somehow, I imagined that here having two British kids by a British husband might somehow make her less of a migrant. It seems not.
How could it when it does not change where she was born?
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:12
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The law is the law. Childless people do not get treated any differently from those with children.
If the children are British citizens they have rights which would allow their parent to stay
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:18
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If she cant prove who she is via ID what does she expect. Non Story! Is the UK just meant to take her word that she is dutch?

I have a daughter with a US citizenship - Doesnt entitle me to US citizenship.
It was her passport she did not supply and a validated copy should have been adequate.

When she says


“I do not believe there is any other business, organisation or even legal process in the world that would treat its customers/clients/applicants in this manner.”


It is a sentiment I can perfectly understand having dealt with them.
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:32
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Despite having two British children, a Dutch EU citizen has been told to leave the country as she has no legal right to be here.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...after-24-years
The Guardian has not bothered to really check the procedure have they , if you are an EU citizen you do not need normally need to apply for residency as after 5 years you automatically have Permanent Residency Status however if you wish to apply for Citizenship you ask for the Residency Card to prove you are a resident to get the card you provide evidence that you have been exercising your rights as a resident such as copies of paperwork or your proof of marriage to a UK citizen, so for a legit person it is easy, I know as a colleague has done this.

The application which can be done online and then print is easy but you do have to send your EEA passport with the application . This lady didn't and that is why she was rejected , yes a jobsworth but they do not accept copies of passports only originals or alternative accepted ID . Brexit isn't happening next week so she could just have waited or as she has done just resubmit it.

And I don't know what form the Guardian is taking about, online and then print off is easy and whilst the version is 85 pages that includes notes and pages of pages of stuff she would have left blank as it is connected with applying for other family members , sponsors if you are not an EEA citizen , replacing a card , lost cards etc etc and evidence of previous cards and police report if you have lost it etc .

So how it took her a whole weekend is beyond me unless she did not understand it and filled a lot of things in she did not need to and even for non EEA citizens I could not find where they required 24 years of absence details , I believe she has made an error and is taking that as the full 24 years she has been here whereas they only require the same as the Citizenship application form does the past five years.

A situation that never needed to happen if she had waited to get her passport back so she could send it and certainly not worthy of running to the media about
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:34
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"Hawkins was concerned that if she did not apply she would be forced “to join a US-style two-hour immigration queue” while the rest of her family “sail through the UK passport lane”

Poor, poor woman, I feel her pain.
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:37
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Seems just to be a bureaucratic bungle over her inability to provide her proof of Dutch citizenship - hardly a change in policy.

A non story really - but the Guardianistas will no doubt lap it up as they will just read the headline not the full story.
I would have thought that was more typical of Daily Mail readers.
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Old 28-12-2016, 18:33
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Not really a non story. This will be the reality for many EU migrants here soon enough, judging by the way things are going.



Somehow, I imagined that here having two British kids by a British husband might somehow make her less of a migrant. It seems not.

EDIT: You'll be glad to know I am in the same boat as her, so I'll be getting one of those letters one day.
BiB: Are you in a position to get British Citizenship?
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Old 28-12-2016, 18:45
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Definitely a non-story to many Non-EU migrants who understand too well that Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR) is the necessary step and major obstacle before becoming eligible for UK citizenship. It has also been recommended by the home office that visa applicants should not make travel plans before visa applications.

No need to mention that Non-EU migrants need to pay £1875 for ILR (in country application), with another £1236 for naturalisation if they want to apply for citizenship. However believe it or not, qualified EU migrants only need to pay £65 for an EEA 4 Permanent Residence card, which is effectively the same as ILR for non-EU migrants but £1810 cheaper.

As far as I can see, this story shows that some people have taken something for granted for far too long and too easy.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...16-17_v0.2.pdf
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Old 28-12-2016, 18:52
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She explained why she couldn't send her passport
There was provision for this on the form according to the article
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Old 28-12-2016, 18:56
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“I do not believe there is any other business, organisation or even legal process in the world that would treat its customers/clients/applicants in this manner.”

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Obviously she has never dealt with US or Canadian immigration!

Assuming she has now provided proof of her Dutch citizenship this non issue has presumably now been dealt with. I very much doubt the UK border force will turn up at 3am to escort her to a one way flight to Amsterdam.
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Old 28-12-2016, 19:01
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Despite having two British children, a Dutch EU citizen has been told to leave the country as she has no legal right to be here.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...after-24-years
Why should they have any right to stay here?
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Old 28-12-2016, 20:03
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Why should they have any right to stay here?
Why not it makes sense or are we going to force families to split up or force 3 UK citizens to leave the country so the family does not have to split up
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Old 28-12-2016, 20:16
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"Non-story" has become a trigger word for me.

It's a perfect encapsulation of an attitude.
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It's illuminating that just a few years ago this woman would have considered herself as a person of high social level, but now she's approaching non-person status.

That's something she now shares with millions of low paid workers arising from EU membership.

Ironic.
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Old 28-12-2016, 20:22
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Why not it makes sense or are we going to force families to split up or force 3 UK citizens to leave the country so the family does not have to split up
Presumably, they are splitting themselves and each other up? Nobody is forcing them apart.
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Old 28-12-2016, 20:28
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Presumably, they are splitting themselves and each other up? Nobody is forcing them apart.
Well i the mother is forced to leave, by the state then the state is either forcing the family to split up, or forcing 3 UK citizens out of the uk to stop the family being split up
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Old 28-12-2016, 20:41
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Well i the mother is forced to leave, by the state then the state is either forcing the family to split up, or forcing 3 UK citizens out of the uk to stop the family being split up
The person responsible is the one who broke the law. She and she alone created her own problem.
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Old 28-12-2016, 20:47
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Home Office says person without proof of citizenship has no right to stay in UK
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